the thing is, when i go outside, nobody knows i'm vaccinated, so if i don't mask, I look like i'm not masking. and then five people next to me go "cool, I won't either".
rather just set the good example a while longer - even if it is determined I can't spread it.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
The vaccinated carry on masking because it's good public policy; it doesn't benefit them or the unvaccinated around them. The vaccinated aren't going to die, get hospitalized, or even suffer serious COVID symptoms from the unmasked.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link
they could still transmit, so it does benefit people in general
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
Oh agreed, I'm not suggesting the vaccinated just stop wearing them now. I'm just playing out the near and longer term future and how things might evolve. I mean, in late 2022, should there be 30% of the population still unable to or unwilling to get vaccinated, are we all still going to remain masked? Some might, but I don't see large swaths of the population willing to do so.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
could, yes. i think studies are showing that the mRNA vaccines do greatly reduce transmission (and that Novovax might outright be stopping it), but all of those studies are preliminary.
from the cursory data in Israel, I think it's a strong likelihood that transmission is greatly reduced for Moderna/Pfizer to where the vaccinated aren't a significant source of spread. but yes, it's important not to take studies that as of yet haven't been peer reviewed as gospel and just err on the side of caution.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
once we reach herd immunity, masking shouldn't really *have* to continue (ie like a mandate), but I think people will start committing to the habit which will be at least good during flu seasons.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
so far everything points to dramatically reduced chance of infection and transmission from vaccines, as well as death and hospitalization
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22291959/covid-vaccines-transmission-protect-spread-virus-moderna-pfizer
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 March 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
trying to come to terms with how comfy i'll be around other fully vaccinated folks indoors tbh. this shit has been emotionally damaging and it's gonna take awhile to reorient.
β G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Friday, March 5, 2021 2:32 PM bookmarkflaglink
yeah, unfortunately the measures have been so severe and for so long, now masking is our default, so we're going to feel 'naked' not doing it. and feel a lack of 'trust' of the situation.
I have a weird dread - there's definitely a component of 'shaming' during the pandemic in a vocal minority of people that goes beyond what's acceptable. not shaming people who refuse to mask, who hold 50-people house parties (unmasked) in stuffy indoor buildings....but actually shaming people who dare to go outside their homes, even if masked and taking precautions. or 'judging' other people whose level of risk-taking, even if REALLY small, happens to be different than theirs.
I keep wondering if this loud group (which sadly, I know quite a few of) will keep shouting at people even as we near herd immunity and can realistically start removing restrictions for legitimate reasons (rather than appeasing covidiots). I mean, I WILL punch them in the nose and take a picture of it....but I really do think it's going to, as forks said, be an adjustment process to reacclimate ourselves to our pre-pandemic life, and that some people in my circle are going to be assholes about how I resume my life.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:03 (three years ago) link
even as we near herd immunity
before pile-on , I know we're not near it yet, but I mean when we get near it.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link
the only argument I really see for a vaccinated person masking is that they won't have a giant "V" on their shirt so it might make others nervous to be indoors with them, plus it will avoid a lot of confusion when businesses are trying to enforce policies (and they don't have to take someone's word for it on vaccination). But if I'm vaccinated and I have vaccinated people in my home, I don't see a need for masks. In fact, when my fully vaccinated parents come to visit for the first time, I don't plan to wear a mask, esp since I won't be in any potential exposure situations in the 10 days leading up to their visit.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
I think we've reached the point where if you want to have beers indoors or outdoors with your fellow vaccinated bros you can. You've earned it.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
This is good on variant alarmism:
https://www.wired.com/story/the-us-has-a-covid-scariants-problem-heres-how-to-fix-it/
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
i'm going to wear a mask when i have a cold after this.
not wearing a mask in public in the middle of a pandemic (cases are higher now than they were in the summer wave!) is a great way to say "i'm a dangerous asshole to strangers, whether or not you've been vaccinated.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:36 (three years ago) link
it seems likely the CDC is about to give the all clear on this
I think we've reached the point where if you want to have beers indoors or outdoors with your fellow vaccinated bros you can. You've earned it.β So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, March 5, 2021 3:05 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
β So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, March 5, 2021 3:05 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Q: How soon is soon on #CDC guidance about fully vaccinated people?@CDCDirector Walensky: Coming soon. We know people interested. Want to ensure communication is crystal clear & can be easily adapted.#COVID19 #vaccines— Donna Young (@DonnaYoungDC) March 5, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
i kinda wanna know if I need to get this again since I got mine so long ago and they don't know how long the protection lasts. they expect that it probably lasts beyond '3 months' for younger people, but no long term data yet (that's why they take blood each visit). AND....if that's even allowable per the terms of my study.
i suspect they'll get around to addressing that with us eventually
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
xxp
yep, yep and yep - well said caek.
― calzino, Friday, 5 March 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
CDC fucking up as per
BREAKING: CDC Director says that they are STILL not releasing guidance on what vaccinated people can do.I understand being careful, but the longer they wait, the more people will take matters into their own hands & render eventual CDC advice irrelevant. https://t.co/35hBGojV5y— Leana Wen, M.D. (@DrLeanaWen) March 5, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:44 (three years ago) link
not wearing a mask in public in the middle of a pandemic (cases are higher now than they were in the summer wave!) is a great way to say "i'm a dangerous asshole" to strangers, whether or not you've been vaccinated.
this 100%
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
Yep
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link
Oh absolutely agreed, 100%. But I think it's safe to say that, unfortunately, there is a not insignificant percentage of Americans that might not "otm" this and I think those folks will have a short term memory wrt to masks in a few years' time. But let's worry about that when we get there.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:58 (three years ago) link
Let's just say that most 65-y-olds -- the cohort getting vaccinated -- are not the ones packing Applebee's bars.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 March 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link
it's the people who like Smash Mouth and say things like "lit"
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing maybe you haven't spent much time in Applebee's in the Midwest.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
every time I see someone at the Piggly Wiggly without a mask I just automatically assume they're a chud asshole and avoid getting near them so yeah I'll be wearing a mask in public till the end of the year most likely
― frogbs, Friday, 5 March 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link
β soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0)
I plan to as soon as I get vaccinated.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
lol if you are in the area post vaccine, I would even be willing to visit an Applebee's to share a drink.
More just a commentary that in all the times I've been to a Applebee's or Chili's, 65 seems to be about the average age.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:17 (three years ago) link
my "wear a mask even if you've been vaccinated" was in response to
seems pretty reasonable to take off your mask once fully vaxed tbhβ longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, March 5, 2021 2:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
β longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, March 5, 2021 2:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:18 (three years ago) link
I'm really hoping people get in the habit of wearing masks if they've got a cold or whatever but I can't see it happening.
Agree that I'm gonna have to have quite a big mental readjustment in a few months. I have no idea if/when I'll go back to indoor gym classes. But I don't have to decide now.
― kinder, Friday, 5 March 2021 21:21 (three years ago) link
I'm not unmasking until the number of new cases is so low that the local news stops covering it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
Idk I just got a delivery of KN95s from a caek-recommended seller and they're so comfortable I might wear them forever.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
My now-hopeless desire was for masking to be normalized and stick around forever because I hate colds and the flu.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
Yes. No colds since 2019 and I like it.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:30 (three years ago) link
the extreme drop off in the flu is pretty neat...cool to see direct evidence that masks & social distancing does in fact work extremely well
― frogbs, Friday, 5 March 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
the KN95s are indeed dope, I get less of them for my money than I did surgical masks, but they offer better protection.
and as cool as my Iron Maiden mask is, it's not layered
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
horns up, mfer!
― Two Meter Peter (Ste), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
we should paint each individual mask we wear with our own designs and create a thread of custom ILX mask artwork
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
San Francisco update: a quarter of the eligible city population has received at least a first dose, two-thirds of the 65-and-over population have received a first dose. Second dose levels now into double-digits in general, almost a third of 65-and-over have a second dose. My sis got her first shot the other day; my folks have received their second shots. All good to see.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 March 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
I think I'll just get a face tattoo that looks like a mask
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 6 March 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
congrats to your fam Ned. It's a great relief i'm sure.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 March 2021 01:48 (three years ago) link
Which part of SF are your folks in Ned?
Here's my more realistic San Francisco update:
https://i.imgur.com/izp4SIL.png
The death rate is pretty stagnant (~80% of peak COVID deaths) all things considered... which I know some of you guys have been promising it will go down for a month yet here we are.
Just walking around and seeing a surge of maskless people eating indoors makes me think this trend line ain't going down any time soon. Hope that arugula pizza was worth killing someone's grandmother over.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 6 March 2021 02:49 (three years ago) link
Also none of the teachers at my kids schools have received their codes to make them eligible for vaccines yet, our only partially-vaccinated friend is dancing tonight at the Crazy Horse strip club (which is now open).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 6 March 2021 02:54 (three years ago) link
Yikes! Hopefully it's just the peep show booths!?My partner is a teacher and was able to get her first shot at Walgreens last week. She just had to show her faculty ID. Hopefully things move quickly for your kids teachers.
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 6 March 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link
From a nextdoor email notification I got last week. Welcome to the neighborhood, lady!
Subj: Unstable racist man yelling on Stevenson
I was jarred at around 7:30 this morning to hear a presumably unstable and mentally ill man shouting heinous racist and violent remarks on Stevenson by the Skate Park. Needless to say, it was horrifying. Is this an ongoing issue? I just moved into the neighborhood last week. I was too scared to open... See more
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 6 March 2021 03:12 (three years ago) link
Lol, sorry, meant for SF thread
― Fetchboy, Saturday, 6 March 2021 03:13 (three years ago) link
Ppl moving in and finding out they donβt like the neighbors can keep it to themselves tbh
― Canon in Deez (silby), Saturday, 6 March 2021 03:14 (three years ago) link
Just gonna respond to that here #onethread
Stepping back a bit -- sorry, should have added that my folks live in Carmel, so they were working with the Monterey County setup. My sis is in SF, though (recently moved from Inner Sunset to near Glen Canyon Park).
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 March 2021 03:52 (three years ago) link
anyone here knowledgeable about lateral flow test false positive rate? almost everything says it's very very low except for one bmj article which cites a study which tested 43,000 Scottish students and found an estimated rate of 58%! however the original study is no longer found at the link. What gives? fyi this is to (not) solve a family argument. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941https://beta.isdscotland.org/media/6975/20-12-16-covid19-publication_report.pdf
― Non meat-eaters rejoice β our culture has completely lost its way (ledge), Saturday, 6 March 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
my son is about to start biweekly lateral flow tests next week at his school
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 6 March 2021 13:26 (three years ago) link
my son went back last Monday and we've already got a letter informing us one of the teachers tested positive and all students who were in contact are self-isolating.
― calzino, Saturday, 6 March 2021 13:34 (three years ago) link