The abolition of the British monarchy - will this ever happen and why won't it?

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1066 and all that

The long list of perfect countries with a monarchy and perfect countries without a monarchy is absolutely the most useful route for ye to take in proving whatever point ye wanted to make respectively here

― Marry and Neghim (darraghmac), Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:58 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Exactly, I don't believe there is a causal relation between a nation ability to make social progress and monarchy, either positive or negative. I live in a monarchy myself, I really don't think getting rid of the Queen will solve the housing crisis.

I'm willing to take the chance it might. Anyway, I'm pretty certain there is a causal relation between a nation's ability to make social progress and monarchy when the nation is the UK.

Very fair.

You could inscribe on a grain of rice what this Canadian cunt actually knows about the UK.

"I live in a monarchy myself, I really don't think getting rid of the Queen will solve the housing crisis"

what an absolute pumper

No need to insult people.

But always glad to hear to hear your valuable monarchy expertise, just so I know never to take anything you post on here seriously ever again you fucking weapon.

May I recommend anger management.

sorry I probably did go a bit too far there. But this isn't a fucking Ice Hockey thread, pal.

Weaponized nationalism is horrific everywhere, in the UK it takes the form of the Royal Family sure, I just don't think that getting rid of it will do anything to stop the efforts of right wing conservatives to destroy the lives of people living outside their clubs. See: France.

I live in a house myself, but I'm not an expert on the mildew and dry rot problems that might blight other people's houses across the road. And I wouldn't be arrogant enough to dismiss their complaints like you have done on this thread with some very dubious statements.

There is extensive reporting and analysis of the other houses, stuff like HDI is valuable. Turns out, generally constitutional monarchy is a poor predictor of progressive success. As my 'very fair' to Tom pointed, willing to see how the UK is a special case.

I love the way some people's first instinct is always about 99.9% of the time "stick with the status quo - change wont make any meaningful difference anyway". I suppose the benefit of being like that in you have plenty of wretched political parties who agree with you.

I've got extensive reporting and analysis on your mom

got fucking Bill Gates on a UK monarchy thread, what a blessed time to be alive.

May I recommend anger management.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

"stuff like HDI is valuable"

counterpoint: lol!

Sorry, going to trust Mahbub ul Haq more than an angry dude on ilxor.

and I'll trust someone who has genuine gained knowledge and understanding through experiencing living in the UK to comment about housing, the monarchy, bosom manor etc.. rather than some prick quoting HDI and acting like he actually knows something.

Yeah I was holding my breath you were going to trust someone you might disagree with.

I guess it must be hard when you have a compulsion to form convoluted bullshit opinions on matters that have no discernible influence on your life whatsoever, but here it is.

To tell a francophone living in Canada that the monarchy has had no discernable influence on his life is a good one.

Good luck on changing the status quo, with that attitude and effort, you can accomplish anything.

Oh so you are now shifting towards abolition of the Monarchy would actually make a difference? Canada contributes zero money to this freakshow so the only change would be mainly a cultural and constitutional one including all the ceremonial trimmings and Royal Ass Sent etc... It's not a financial drain on the Canadian state.

The annual sovereign grant they get has more than doubled since 2012 and I'm not even sure that includes the huge decorating/refurb grant they've been gifted and all the other bills they run up. You could bail out quite a few bankrupt Local Authorities with what is getting lavished on them.

having a legacy part of the budget that is quite a lot of money and immune to cuts and spiralling in cost does put pressure on an austerity government to make cuts to genuinely important services that are often a lifeline to some people. It's nonsense to suggest otherwise. It might not sort out the housing crisis but cuts to homeless services could be reversed and more.

I just don't think that getting rid of it will do anything to stop the efforts of right wing conservatives to destroy the lives of people living outside their clubs.

Of course not, but I think it goes without saying that the majority of people who want to abolish the monarchy also want to dismantle that kind of egregious privilege. Undoing the former obviously won't bring about the destruction of the latter, but maybe it's a necessary first step? As things stand, hereditary privilege is utterly baked into our constitution (such as it is).

Exactly, I don't believe there is a causal relation between a nation ability to make social progress and monarchy, either positive or negative. I live in a monarchy myself, I really don't think getting rid of the Queen will solve the housing crisis.

If that is what you believe surely you should be arguing for abolishing the monarchy? Why argue for maintaining an enormously expensive royal family if you don't think it affects anything either way?

Weaponized nationalism is horrific everywhere, in the UK it takes the form of the Royal Family sure, I just don't think that getting rid of it will do anything to stop the efforts of right wing conservatives to destroy the lives of people living outside their clubs. See: France.

Doesn't make much sense to me to cast this as some British quirk when, as previously stated, a guy just got arrested in Spain for insulting the king. And do you honestly think that ppl in the Netherlands, Sweden, etc. that have actual emotional investment in the monarchy AREN'T chauvinistic nationalists? All I've ever seen from Swedish friends on the topic is a sheepish acknowledgement that it's an anachronism that will probably die off soon enough.

The financial aspects of the monarchy as completely irrelevant to me anyway, it's the principle I object to. As I always say, if very night of the week the Queen came to my door and stuffed a fiver in my pocket I'd still want rid of old bag and her ghastly family.

I'd love to see the look on their faces and all the piss it would boil if they had a cut to their budget comparable to what has been taken off local authority funding.

saying that, the main travesty here is that they get paid anything.

63% against beheading their virtual grandma which is how they pretty much break the question down to an extent

Britain should...

Continue to have a monarchy: 63% (-4)
Have an elected head of state: 25% (+4)

via @YouGov, 08 - 09 Mar
Chgs. w/ Oct 2020

— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) March 12, 2021

political correctness gone mad

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2021/03/09/47981/one_harry_whos_not_causing_trouble_for_the_queen?rss

getting arrested & thrown in jail for considering Harry Hill funny...hmm perhaps not such a bad thing after all

breakdown of the yougov poll is sort of interesting- particularly this bit.

18-24yr olds would now prefer an elected head of state by 42% to 37% (although please note this is within the margin of error). Support for Britain having a monarchy remains strong across all other age groupshttps://t.co/JUZSctDufe pic.twitter.com/iHPozmEs0f

— YouGov (@YouGov) March 12, 2021

either we keep those beautiful youths on side or we guillotine every other fucker, comfortable either way

i really think these numbers will change once charles is on the throne. he is one of the most viscerally unlikable guys i can think of.

we can all hope <3

Maybe he’ll just proclaim his mom to be the lich queen of England in perpetuity and abdicate

that twisted fucker has been doing the Black Sacrament for 30 years minimum

!!! Virginia Giuffre lawsuit against Prince Andrew filed today in SDNY pic.twitter.com/G2NQy3lrBx

— TrueAnon Pod (@TrueAnonPod) August 9, 2021

turns out the longest reign of any monarch in uk history comes at a price

that price again: slightly more widespread obloquy than before

🚨🚨 | BREAKING: The Queen has signalled her support for Prince Andrew by letting him keep his senior Guards role

Via @thesundaytimes

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) August 21, 2021

Fuck each and every one of these nonce parasites, including the ones attempting a soft relaunch as sort of a separate venture but not really

When QE2 dies, the princelings who sprang from Charles' loins should draw lots to see who seizes the throne and beheads him. This would be the most satisfactory available process of royal succession.