boo
― DJI, Friday, 12 March 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that's been the case since the start. But as noted, trials with the currently approved vaccines are well under way.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 March 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
Our office in Milan sent out notices earlier this afternoon that Milan/Northern Italy will be under stricter lockdown due to a surge in cases (their FOURTH wave iirc).
Trying to find data on vaccination levels...
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:09 (three years ago) link
This says almost a million doses:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196406/number-of-covid-vaccine-doses-administered-in-italy-by-region/
Population of Milan is 1.4 millionGreater Lombardy population is ~10 million
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:11 (three years ago) link
Corriere says the last 3 days have seen a brutal explosion in cases:
https://www.corriere.it/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 March 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
yup
Italy reports highest number of new cases since November, most of Italy on lockdown from Monday- New cases: 26,824- In hospital: 26,570 (+464)- In ICU: 2,914 (+55)- New deaths: 380— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 12, 2021
i think they reopened restaurants recently and vaccine delivery in the EU is generally bad. italy is on 11 doses per 100 people. UK is on 37, US is on 30.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link
doses per 100 peoplebrazil 6argentina 5chile 33
chile wyd?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link
They have the Chinese vaccine that didn’t require special handling, didn’t they?
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link
ah. serbia has one of them (i think there are two) and they're on 27 so i guess that makes sense.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link
100 million achieved in US
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 March 2021 00:36 (three years ago) link
Chile is using the Sinovac vaccine (the other one is sinopharm I believe) and yeah,no special handling required.
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 March 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link
This is devastating news. Global South countries have been fighting for the right to manufacture and import affordable versions of the covid vaccines. A few hours ago, the USA, UK and European Union joined forces to block them at the WTO. The West is indefensible.— Jason Hickel (@jasonhickel) March 12, 2021
Are you fucking kidding me?
― lukas, Saturday, 13 March 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
I mean yeah, not surprising, but still shocking.
― lukas, Saturday, 13 March 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
Colonialism is alive and thriving.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Saturday, 13 March 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link
You can add Canada to that shameful list:
https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2021/03/10/canada-others-accused-of-blocking-access-to-vaccines-for-poor-countries/
― pomenitul, Saturday, 13 March 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
I just read an article in the Economist that talked about Chile's vaccine success, the two key factors they listed were registering early to run large scale trials of vaccines (at least one of the Chinese ones), and a well-run national database of vaccinations that already existed before the pandemic.
― colette, Sunday, 14 March 2021 09:31 (three years ago) link
this is a disaster
🚨 AstraZeneca vaccinations being suspended in Ireland from this morning pic.twitter.com/SnoIb2DkEY— Gabhán Ă“ Raghallaigh (@gavreilly) March 14, 2021
Covid-19: Netherlands suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine https://t.co/08iwC0nvqV— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) March 15, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 05:57 (three years ago) link
I read that the Pfizer blood clotting numbers are similar, idk if that is correct but if this is an excessive response then the only winners are going to be the tin-hat brigade and the Rona. Especially in regions with low take up rates.
― calzino, Monday, 15 March 2021 08:37 (three years ago) link
Someone said this morning that (according to AZ for what it’s worth) the percentage of blood clots in vaccine recipients is actually *lower* than in the general population! I wonder if there’s something specific about the nature of these events that is leading all these public health bodies or if they are just being abundantly cautious
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 08:48 (three years ago) link
Yes I was going to ask the same thing, I read on BBC yesterday that they don't believe the numbers of clot issues is anything larger than what they normally expect and that there is no evidence that the vaccine is the cause. So why has a connection been made? Is it simply because the people have had the jab close to having the clot? Because if so, I foresee many more false connections for other side effects being made which is a bit depressing.
― Two Meter Peter (Ste), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:19 (three years ago) link
this just in, vaccine correlates with a craving for Krispy Kreme
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:21 (three years ago) link
Possibly multiple clots linked to the same batch? xp
― Suggest Banazir (onimo), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:21 (three years ago) link
I think it is the kind of thing they have to investigate but my (obviously) non-scientific opinion is that this is a cohort of people probably much more at high risk for blood clots - and probably even more so during a time when everyone is indoors and inactive - during normal times anyway. Still, it’s what they have to look into. Just surprised it hasn’t appeared to have shown up here yet with all the vaccinations done so far.
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:22 (three years ago) link
[Prof Andrew Pollard -director of the Oxford vaccine group](on BBC just now:)He said there was "very reassuring evidence that there is no increase in a blood clot phenomenon here in the UK, where most of the doses in Europe been given so far".
Finland has also done a "very careful study" and not found an increased risk, he added.
Yes think I'm just doing what I actually hate and that's jumping at news headlines. This is just all precautionary and necessary and typical of what we'll be seeing for this year and behond I guess.
― Two Meter Peter (Ste), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:29 (three years ago) link
I mean..... he would say those things, wouldn’t he?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:30 (three years ago) link
If it’s an excessive reaction it may well feed vaccine scepticism but maybe they are banking on it actually countering it: “look how careful we are about possible negative effects, which turned out not to be an issue”
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:31 (three years ago) link
Now they tell me, I had this vaccine yesterday.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:56 (three years ago) link
Ah you’ll be fineI was getting a bit paranoid because I was having chest pain/upper back pain but I just reminded myself that I get random sharp pains all the time. Today I am getting leg pains but again hardly surprising MMS
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
Whoops ...hardly surprising as I was confined to bed for the best part of 24hrs due to side effects. I wonder if that’s a factor, that ppl prone to thrombosis are at greater risk due to being... prone
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:16 (three years ago) link
All I can say is I'm glad I didn't read this thread before I went for the vaccination. Curiously, I've never had an injection that felt less like an injection, no idea why that should be.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:26 (three years ago) link
That was my experience too! I certainly felt it later though
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:28 (three years ago) link
Interesting!
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:31 (three years ago) link
My main point of comparison is my annual flu jab - really feel that going in in a way I didn’t with this one
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:43 (three years ago) link
JCVI says no link fwiw.
“Safety is absolutely paramount, we monitor the data very carefully” Prof Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair of the JCVI tells #BBCBreakfast there is no link between blood clots and the Oxford-Astrazeneca jab, after the Netherlands suspended its rollout ⤵️https://t.co/xwRpjQDAUs pic.twitter.com/15Mez4AKBd— BBC Breakfast (@BBCBreakfast) March 15, 2021
my take on why we need to be very careful when interpreting stories about the AZ vaccine and blood clots https://t.co/3IDchEmp8R— David Spiegelhalter (@d_spiegel) March 15, 2021
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:47 (three years ago) link
I'd never had a flu jab till last year but it was definitely a lot jaggier than this covid one! By the way, I've just thought of a reason why the word 'jab' doesn't sit right with me, it's because you're more likely to say 'jag' if you're Scottish.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:53 (three years ago) link
This is interesting too, but as the comments say, clots are a pretty high risk for covid itself, at a much higher rate than so far reported.Def, and a thing to bear in mind about risk in general. My age group has a 1 in 1000 chance of being hospitalised due to covid iirc - if this reaction in like 50 out of 20 million ppl is due to the vaccine then we need to know, but it should still be emphasised that the maths is greatly in favour xp yeah I think there’s a north/south divide
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 11:56 (three years ago) link
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2021-03-15/germany-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine-amid-clotting-concerns
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link
This is a disaster because there’s no evidence the AZ vaccine causes blood clots and these decisions, just as another wave starts in the EU, will kill thousands of people, and they will provide years of talking points to anti vaxxers.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 14:52 (three years ago) link
eu rises seem to be because of the uk strain, which the uk is now mostly over, albeit after weeks of 1000+ casualties a day.
― koogs, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
(that based on one news report i heard somewhere)
― koogs, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
Yes, the British media seems to have conveniently forgotten the horrendous death toll in the UK over the winter in the rush to gloat over/gawp at rising COVID deaths in the EU. This despite the fact that even in Italy, which is the favoured country for COVID horror stories in the UK, the figures are nowhere near as bad the UK was several weeks previously.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
Speaking of Italy, they've suspended the AstraZeneca vaccine now.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
There's an international debate about expanding vaccine access that is being mostly ignored in the U.S., even though we're the ones blocking it. https://t.co/e4kRC0IA2H— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) March 15, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link
wait, the US is blocking it AND ignoring the debate? that's an insane coincidence
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 15 March 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
nothing to worry about, Boris has declared that the UK medicine regulatory agency as "one of the toughest and most experienced in the world".
― calzino, Monday, 15 March 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link
weird that even a vague correlation of vaccines and blood clots is being treated as such a big deal when we just accept that birth control comes with an increased risk of blood clots and a huge percentage of the population is on it.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 15 March 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
birth control pills I mean
― Lily Dale, Monday, 15 March 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link
Pfizer, All UK spontaneous reports received between 9/12/20 and 28/02/21 Deep vein thrombosis 8Pulmonary embolism 15Thrombocytopenia 13AZ, All UK spontaneous reports received between 4/01/21and 28/02/21 Deep vein thrombosis 14Pulmonary embolism 13Thrombocytopenia 12— Alex Tabarrok (@ATabarrok) March 15, 2021
this is from samples of almost exactly 10m AZ and 10m pfizer.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link
so what exactly IS driving the panic, then? did someone in the Royal families in several countries get clots?
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
like 0.00039% clot rate (not even a death rate, just a rate of blood clots) compared with 3% death rate for COVID-19 if people who were going to get a vaccine now don't.
HMM.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link