i've been to the doctors in germany and they're nuts so fair enough. ireland suspending it kind of surprising to me.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link
Meanwhile, the European Medicines Agency is singing a different tune: 'the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine in preventing COVID-19, with its associated risk of hospitalisation and death, outweigh the risks of side effects.'
From: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/emas-safety-committee-continues-investigation-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-thromboembolic-events
― pomenitul, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
ireland suspending it kind of surprising to me.
Yeah, this is the one I expected the least. Likewise Norway, which kickstarted this whole wave of skepticism if memory serves.
― pomenitul, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
it's kind of amazing how all these vaccines show up in record time at much higher efficacy than expected and then we find novel ways to not dispense them.
though fortunately there are other vaccines still being utilized.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
Stuff like this and consciously denying vaccine access to countries in the global south just make me think, do you want this pandemic to ever end or nah I mean, as well as being pure evil in the latter case
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link
As an aside, I fucking hate how France has such an amazing healthcare system β especially compared to Quebec β yet anti-medical rhetoric has gained so much ground there over the past few decades that their level of self-pwning is now off the charts. People who are able to distinguish between Big Pharma (a murderous international conglomerate in all but name) and Actual Medicine That Saves Lives are going extinct.
― pomenitul, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
The leitmotiv being 'it's not natural!' Yeah, unlike, I dunno, hemlock.
― pomenitul, Monday, 15 March 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
The HSE takes guidance about vaccines from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC).On Saturday, 13 March 2021, NIAC got a new safety alert from the Norwegian Medicines Agency. The alert was about 4 new reports of serious, rare thromboembolic events (blood clotting), including some complicated by thrombocytopoenia (low blood platelet count) in younger adults after vaccination with the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.It has not been concluded that there is any link between the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and these cases. As a precaution, NIAC has recommended we temporarily pause use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
When to talk to your GPTalk to your GP or GP out-of-hours if you:feel increasingly unwell more than 3 days after your vaccinationnotice blue spots on your skinhave a non blanching skin rash β one that does not disappear when you put pressure on it
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
It has not been concluded that there is any link between the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and these cases. As a precaution, NIAC has recommended we temporarily pause use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
this is a great advert for why not to use the passive in public health guidance.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
You jest, Tom, but I can't help but wonder whether (mainly) continental European countries crippled by the anti-vaxx plague aren't practicing pre-emptive damage control with a sprinkling of cheap counter-Brexit nationalism on top. I mostly suspect France of this, maybe Germany as well (and Italy is Five Star Movement land).
Hey, it was the Irish that kicked all this off I think? And they love the Brits.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
(xp) Oops just read your subsequent post.
― Woke For Luck (Tom D.), Monday, 15 March 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
xp idk, if you canβt use the passive voice for advice passed down from a big transnational medicines agency and enacted by a panel of independent experts, when can you
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Monday, 15 March 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
ugh i want to go on german tv and stick myself with six doses of astra zeneca vaccine to make a point, this is really nuts
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 March 2021 20:08 (three years ago) link
This is a good summary afaict
Smart, detailed rundown on what's happening with AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine and why it matters. Via @matthewherper https://t.co/oXxIYrfHOZ— Jason Ukman (@JasonUkman) March 15, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 15 March 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
Wonder if US anti-vaxxers will have a field day with this (despite US not using this vaccine), or if Americans' lack of awareness that other countries exist will save us for once.
― lukas, Monday, 15 March 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link
real life is irrelevant for them, it doesn't matter what actually happens or what anything means
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 March 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
Skydad's coming down soon enough to save them.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 15 March 2021 21:32 (three years ago) link
Lots of one-year-on pieces going about but this one is a cut above. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/how-the-west-lost-covid-19.html
― stet, Monday, 15 March 2021 23:16 (three years ago) link
yeah that was very good
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 March 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
holy hell, look at the shrinkage in hospitalizations and deaths in the elder populations in the US in the last two months:
https://i.ibb.co/XLJ2S0W/scrnli-3-15-2021-10-29-05-PM.png
https://i.ibb.co/JH1dF0w/scrnli-3-15-2021-10-30-00-PM.png
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 02:33 (three years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/YbqngDr/COVID-19-NET-Image.png
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 02:34 (three years ago) link
The Moderna trial for children from 6 months to under 12 has been registered. It's phase 2/3, testing 3 different dose levels, for 750 participants: https://t.co/YaszjPCAgo— Hilda Bastian, PhD (@hildabast) March 15, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 07:05 (three years ago) link
Put it in my veins (no, literally, please).
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 17:06 (three years ago) link
it's intramuscular not intravenous!!
― Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
lol
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
Lol, this is why I went to law school.
― righteous oxide (PBKR), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
BREAKING: European Medicines Agency says Astrazeneca is "is a safe and efficient vaccine...not associated with increased risk of blood clots."— Tony Connelly (@tconnellyRTE) March 18, 2021
― calzino, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
cool, but now millions of people think it's unsafe and won't use it, yay
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link
It's all a subterfuge to pull the rug from under the anti-vaxxers, you see. A Napoleon-tier strategy.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link
Btw any news regarding AZ's effectiveness for people over 65?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link
it causes over-65s to enjoy Dane Cook
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link
NEW: Biden admin. is working to finalize plans to send roughly 2.5M doses of AstraZeneca vaccine to Mexico and 1.5M doses to Canada, White House says. https://t.co/k12xwhsxXW— All In with Chris Hayes (@allinwithchris) March 18, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link
Apparently it's a 'loan'.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
how do you give back a vaccine
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
Hey! It worked for FDR as "lend-lease" for sending war materials to UK in 1940.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:34 (three years ago) link
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
nice!
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
Sorry, I meant: have there been any additional studies on this? That those three ok'd it is excellent news, of course.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
Public Health England had a preprint based on real world data
According to a pre-print study from PHE, which involved more than 7.5 million people aged 70 and over in England:Infections in the over 70s fall from around three weeks after one dose of both vaccines.Protection against symptomatic COVID in those over 70, four weeks after the first jab, ranged between 57-61% for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 60-73% for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccineThe vaccines are more than 80% effective at preventing hospitalisations in over 80s around three to four weeks after one dose.As well as the protection against symptomatic disease, over 80s who had received a Pfizer jab had an additional 43% lower risk of emergency hospitalisation and an additional 51% lower risk of deathOver 80s who had been given the first dose of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine were found to have a 37% lower risk of emergency hospital admission, but there is insufficient follow-up data to assess its impact on death
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
and that's just after the first dose? not bad
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link
ass grass or vax nobody bides for free
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:17 (three years ago) link
Heh, Iβve been thinking of making that joke but was holding back for some reason.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 March 2021 22:03 (three years ago) link
How are you feeling post-covid btw? I suppose it's been several weeks now.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 22:06 (three years ago) link
Fine, mostly. I am okay with my attenuated sense of smell, but my daughter is more irritated by hers, says it messes with her sense of taste. Also went to the dentist today for the first time since the pandemic but that is for another thread I think.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:25 (three years ago) link
Ah, anosmia sounds immensely irritating indeed. My understanding is that it usually sorts itself out after a (long) while.
― pomenitul, Friday, 19 March 2021 02:39 (three years ago) link
Good news
The majority of people who have had COVID-19 are protected from getting it again for at least six months, a study showed, but older people are more prone to reinfection than younger people https://t.co/HdZoDqZlVP— Reuters (@Reuters) March 18, 2021
― Scamp Granada (gyac), Friday, 19 March 2021 12:19 (three years ago) link
This is, uh, concerning.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/michigan-covid-19-coronavirus-outbreak/618332
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
It is, but I think a silver lining to it is that a much lower percentage of "hospitalizations" now are patients in critical care or on ventilatorshttps://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/05/16/tracking-michigan-covid-19-hospitalization-data-trends/
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
utah opening up vaccine to everyone next tuesday, 3/24.
― map ca. 1890 (map), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link