Nomeansno : C/D/S/D

well as far as I know, they are basically a UK SST

Does that apply to SRD as well? They carry (or carried) loads of reputable labels for the UK and Ireland market.

I like Wrong, One, The Worldhood of the World as Such, and Dance of the Headless Bourgeosie a lot.

which other ones would i like if i like those?

the 85-88 material (which exists in several confusing formats) is largely killer if slightly cruder than what came later, and Why Do They Call Me Mr Happy? (which falls in the middle of the span you just listed) is pretty damn great. Their last LP All Roads Lead to Ausfahrt is more straightforward than usual but still contains maybe a half-dozen killer jams.

^ cosign

The 1988 EP/mini albums would be a good place to go - The Day Everything Became Nothing and Small Parts Isolated And Destroyed, which were released on one CD called The Day Everything Became Isolated And Destroyed.

re Southern distribution, can't say I know anything about it - I have just seen a lot of griping over recent years from old punk bands/labels/fans about Southern's business practices, I think it mostly started since John Loder died.

This is probably beyond the scope of a Nomeansno thread but what is the deal with possessing the masters - do Southern (or SST for that matter) have contractual/legal (on paper) ownership of the tapes and thus the right to refuse to license it or does having physical possession of someone's masters just automatically afford you that right? I guess what I'm asking is if an artist stole their masters back would they be in trouble? Heh.

I'd be down to mount a rescue operation

Didn't The Replacements do that once? One of them distracted the receptionist while another scooted off into the back to liberate the tapes. Might have been someone else tbf.

well, the geniuses got drunk and went in to steal their masters to throw them in the river but ended up just grabbing some safety duplicate masters and some tapes that were other bands not theirs

https://medium.com/cuepoint/the-replacements-decadent-food-fight-and-ridiculous-record-heist-of-1987-210434506391

Call it a reconnaissance mission I guess.

At least with the SST situation, a few bands that had had the wherewithal to lawyer up got their masters back in the late ’90s: Sonic Youth and the the Meat Puppets were the biggies, and there have been a few others over the years. Dinosaur Jr got their stuff back; Soundgarden’s SST debut was remixed and remastered on Sub Pop a couple of years ago. But I don’t know if anyone knows the state of masters that remain in GG’s possession, especially since he moved the label to Texas. Alternative Tentacles used vinyl to master their reissue of the Dicks’ Kill from the Heart, which was deleted really early by SST and the masters were gone. Loads of artists have claimed rights reverted, so you will find some random things on streaming now like Scott Colby’s Slide of Hand that are nearly all vinyl rips. And even some of SST’s CD releases were mastered from vinyl rather than the original tapes (I’m pretty sure Jack Brewer has claimed this was the case for Paganicons).

i hate greg ginn so much, what a shit state of affairs for such a great catalog

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I recently learned that Dukowski wrote "My War" specifically about Ginn

sorry for digressing but yeah FUCK what a shame it is

especially since he moved the label to Texas

Convoy of U-Hauls filled with unsold Zoogz Rift and Leaving Trains vinyl trundling through New Mexico.

Have only ever heard bad things about Southern from numerous people I know who've fallen foul of their business practices. John Loder wasn't much better either I don't think, so don't go imagining he was the ethical giant of legend.

going back through the catalog, so many of their best songs (state of grace, the river, now, give me the push, the tower, the phone call, etc) are fucking great hooky hard rock songs more than anything else, certainly not punk in any meaningful sense

I was very confused when I bought Dance of the Headless Bourgeoisie being told they were progressive punk and being very confused.

they're great songs but....only "I'm an Asshole" really felt like 'punk'. but I guess punk is an ethos so it's cool, and they're cool.

I was very confused did you get that, i was confused, i was confused

The Tower is an absolute middle-aged punk dad singalong anthem, judging by the first NoMeansNo show I saw in 2000 at any rate.

This upcoming weekend, we are having our biggest sale...maybe ever?! Help us free up shelf space for Nomeansno.
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$1 CDs - $10 LPs pic.twitter.com/XW83Va9M5o

— AlternativeTentacles (@AltTentacles) April 12, 2021

oooooooooh

I’m really looking forward to firming up my Kerr-era NMN collection. I have the two biggies (Wrong & the 2013 reissue of TDEBI&D) but would relish a chance to revisit You Kill Me/Sex Mad and maybe finally get into 0+2=1.

Kicking myself for not having bought every copy of Mama I ever saw, for any price; I could retire at the prices even the 2013 reissues are fetching now. ... hopefully this reissue series will include it, although with NMN you never know. As I recall it’s “quirkier” than the Kerr-era material but I’d be more than willing to give it another shot.

Lucked into a copy of the “Fear Anger Betrayal Hatred” EP recently & I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Very much embryonic, but it has the spirit.

I only own Dance... and Young and Cuddly on CD and 0+2=1 on LP. What I'm really hoping for is an LP of Worldhood that includes everything from the CD....a boy can dream

I had also forgotten that I had bought the very slim NMN book “Going Nowhere” a while back, & hadn’t read it. This morning, while looking for something else I’d misplaced, I found it! Serendipitously, as I’m going thru a slight NMN revival at the mo.

released 2022: https://sheffieldtapearchive.bandcamp.com/album/nomeansno-live-bradford-1988

they also have The Fall & Crass & lots of other 80s audience tapes - I don't know about selling them though

https://alternativetentacles.com/product-tag/dad-revenge/

"At long last, after many rumors… we can confirm that the NOMEANSNO catalog will be returning to Alternative Tentacles Records." (just in case that "the return of Nomeansno" got your hopes up - they remain retired)

i'm still about that. I never came close to completing my Nomeansno collection

Tired
Tired
Tiredowaiting

BIG DICK

Yes, but Big Dick’s tired of waiting for these reissues.

Oral/visual history incoming and funds needed to help get it printed up:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ww3/nomeansno

(Supported stuff from PM Press before, they're legit.)

https://alternativetentacles.com/product/virus-77-wrong-pre-order

FINALLY

$40 international shipping? Fuck off! I’ll wait till an EU distro gets some.