Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

this crime is also being discussed here: Rolling Race 2021 fwiw

did they give this fucker some McDonalds because he really wanted a Big Mac too? FFS

oh ok

but, i mean, this is a legit place to disuss it, too!

cops do have that curious empathy for white dudes who kill nonwhite people...

it is a mystery

JFC... horrible.

I think it's quite possible to be both a 'sex addict' and a racist, they're not mutually exclusive.

i mean if you exclusively frequent Asian massage parlors to give vent to your sex addiction, and then kill Asian massage workers to control your sex addiction--just because it's racist and misogynist simultaneously doesn't make it not racist!

Agreed

sorry, socialists - it's neither a racist or misogynistic crime. it's a sacrilegious crime against the will and intent of His Word.

white evangelicals are fucking creeps imo

the term "creeping Jesus" was invented for a reason

ha, i've never heard of that! reminds me of how jesus referred to Pharisees in the parables

between this and "it wasn't terrorism, he was only trying to kill himself...with a bomb...that was on a street where tons of people were walking by/living", it's a wonder why white ring terrorism is still thriving in 2021.

'he was addicted to sex and felt guilty due to his Fundamentalist upbringing' describes every Fundamentalist ever, most of whom are not spree shooters. try again fuckholes.

so goddamn ridiculous.

The fact that he used to have sex with asian massage workers makes the fact that he targeted them for murder worse, not better

Despising the object of your attraction is the most misogynistic thing you can do.

Apparently the alleged shooter wanted to “eliminate the temptation” by removing the massage parlors, which provided an outlet for his addiction, according to police. Atlanta police Captain Jay Baker said the shooter had been interviewed by police.

These are human beings you fucking shithead.

I agree with everyone saying the framing of this seems weirdly exculpatory, when really it’s just a double hate crime against women and people of asian descent.

Here is some collection of reporting from the Korean media on the Atlanta shooting ->

Yonhap News reporting on the shooter's social media post saying "All Americans need to fight back against China" https://t.co/xGvA6dMQSP

— Jeong Park (@JeongPark52) March 17, 2021

"한국일보 애틀랜타는 총격 사건이 발생한 마사지 업소 ‘골드 마사지 스파’ 종업원 A씨의 말을 인용해 범행 당시 용의자가 ‘아시아인을 다 죽이겠다’고 말했다고 전했다"
Atlanta's Korea Daily: a Gold Massage worker said the shooter yelled, "I'm gonna kill all Asians"https://t.co/bBHpI3UuB9

— E. Tammy Kim 김태미 (@etammykim) March 17, 2021

This is fucked.

Trump said "china virus" in his Fox News interview, last night, just a bit before this happened. Not saying that's directly connected to last night, obviously, more that Trump and his ilk have been preaching anti-Asia hysteria since at least the late 80s.

No one could have foreseen this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/17/racist-extremists-us-domestic-terrorism-intelligence-report

fair warning: seems like no one can find the original source for the "i'm going to kill all asians" quote above.

this seems bad:

New: The sheriff's official who said the Atlanta spa shooter had "a bad day" shared an image of T-shirts that said "Covid 19 IMPORTED VIRUS FROM CHY-NA" on Facebook.

After @BuzzFeedNews asked about the shirt, the public post became unavailable.https://t.co/qrAsmm2Pgk

— Stephanie K. Baer (@skbaer) March 17, 2021

Wonder if that guy has ever been involved with the arrest of an asian person? might be a good time to file a class action lawsuit

(i'm guessing you can't do that, otherwise there would be millions of class action lawsuits related to racist cops)

not a class action and i'd be surprised if anything comes of it, but there's this

UPDATE: According to the LAPD, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office will be reviewing 370 cases handled by John Motto, the retired LAPD officer seen on video using the n-word this weekend, following our reporting.@LATACO https://t.co/i6cemRQPS7

— Lexis-Olivier Ray (@ShotOn35mm) March 17, 2021

Defund the Police is a little too nice of a slogan imo

Dissect the police

Satanize the police

NPR just reported that investigators are still unsure whether the Atlanta area shootings constitute hate crimes.

Yes, they're hate crimes... either against Asians or women or a combination of the two... maybe even some self-hatred. But I wish they'd stop floating this "removing temptation" story, let his public defender employ that bullshit.

Yeah killing women to “remove temptation” is a hate crime against women at least

...Cottrell said the church was predominantly White but included several people of Asian and African descent.

“I don’t recall any sermons dealing specifically with racism, but the general tenor was to welcome and to be as inclusive as possible,” he said.

In a statement to The Washington Post, church elders at Crabapple First Baptist said they were “heartbroken” about “the tragic news about the multiple deaths in the Atlanta area.”

“We grieve for the victims and their families, and we continue to pray for them,” the statement said. “Moreover, we are distraught for the Long family and continue to pray for them as well.”

Cottrell said he did not know whether Long currently attends the church or when he last attended services. According to a video that was captured by The Post before it was deleted, on Sunday the church’s pastor, the Rev. Jerry Dockery, gave a sermon on the apocalypse. Christ was coming soon, Dockery said, and the world must be ready.

“We’ve had, what, 45 presidents in our brief history as a nation? How many other kings around the world? How many other rulers have sat upon thrones, claiming to be in charge?” he asked. “The King is coming again.”
When Christ returns, Dockery said, he will wage war against those who have rejected his name.

“There is one word devoted to their demise,” the pastor said. “Swept away! Banished! Judged. They have no power before God. Satan himself is bound and released and then bound again and banished. That great dragon deceiver — just that quickly — God throws him into an eternal torment. And then we read where everyone — everyone that rejects Christ — will join Satan, the Beast and the false prophet in hell.”

It is not uncommon for pastors to preach on the apocalypse, and it’s unclear whether Long heard the pastor’s teachings Sunday. Police said Long told them he had a “sex addiction,” and authorities said he apparently lashed out at what he saw as sources of temptation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/03/17/atlanta-shooting-southern-baptist-pastors-wrestle/

first, one remarkable thing to think about is that in 15 years of attending pentecostal church (assemblies of god, adjacent to southern baptist), there was also never once a sermon on discrimination or racism. never once came up. what a coincidence! and very normal that so many churches of nearly all-white people never find it important to talk about race. ever.

also, that little excerpt of the sermon is what every single week was like, in my experience, for years and years. varying pitches and strengths and periods of speaking in tongues, receding then coming back again a year or two later twice as strong. it was creepy as fuck

this was published yesterday, i believe before the shootings.

https://newrepublic.com/article/161719/trump-capitol-riot-evangelical-community

There are those, such as SBC President J.D. Greear, who insist that the problems of the evangelical community are cultural, not doctrinal; others express regret that the movement has been hijacked by politics in recent years—an idea the media seems to have tacitly accepted. Still others rightly question these framings, noting that there was never a heyday when doctrine, rather than politics, defined the movement, nor when evangelicalism was not synonymous with white patriarchal power. It is precisely because the voices of these latter critics have long been excluded from the narrative-making that so many Americans are startled, along with Moore, by the state of white evangelicalism. In order to comprehend such phenomena as the storming of the Capitol by militarized men waving Christian and Confederate flags, it is imperative to acknowledge the racist, sexist politics undergirding the modern evangelical movement since its foundation—history that those who have controlled the narrative have gone to some lengths to leave out.

There is a new generation of religious scholars doing such corrective history. Anthea Butler wrote her forthcoming book, White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America, to redress what she calls the “White Savior” approach to evangelical history: The tendency of media-savvy religious leaders and “insider” academics to illuminate the noble efforts of abolitionists and other do-gooders, while giving little or no thought to evangelicalism’s more incendiary projects. Her book discusses how nineteenth-century missionaries used the gospel to control heathen (that is to say: nonwhite) others; how the SBC was founded in 1845 expressly to protect the interests of Southern slaveholders from the interference of Northern Baptists; and how Southern evangelicals valorized white femininity in order both to justify their abuse of supposedly barbarous Black men and obscure their own sexual violence against enslaved women.

Nowadays, Butler explains, purity culture allows for white evangelicals to disparage Black families who don’t adhere to the two-parent model, while, again, not applying the same moral codes to their own leaders. Butler tells The New Republic that for those who have been “born again,” no scandal is insurmountable: “Like the phoenix, they can rise out of virtually every situation because Christ died for them, but not for other unwashed, unsaved sinners.” (Theologically, white evangelicals do believe Jesus died for all, but this conviction does not always inform their actions.)

The emphasis on an emotive conversion experience—one of the four pillars of evangelicalism, according to insider historian David Bebbington—also abets the effort among white evangelicals to downplay racial injustice. Last June, when the nation was reeling from both a global pandemic and the horrific murder of George Floyd, Moore made pointed mention of this fact after SBC leaders chose that moment to fret about critical race theory. (In November, leaders formally condemned the theory.)

“The current state of American Evangelicalism is what we get when the gospel is reduced to an entrance exam,” she tweeted. The broader emphasis on spiritual, rather than earthly, salvation, too, contributes to what Jemar Tisby, in his own book about racism in Christianity, refers to as “complicit Christianity.” During Reconstruction and the civil rights era, white evangelicals emphasized the saving of souls over earthly reforms, either opposing integration outright or advocating for a more limited set of incremental (that is to say, white-friendly) reforms. The influential Reverend Billy Graham, for instance, made a point to appear aligned with the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and other Black faith leaders, all while obstructing their efforts toward racial harmony. His “eventually, but not now” attitude toward civil rights isn’t fully apparent in the hagiographies that many evangelicals have since produced.

Religion scholar Kristin Kobes Du Mez agrees with Butler that white evangelical men “have played an outsized role in writing the history of American evangelicalism,” which in turn left Americans ill prepared for evangelicals’ full-throated embrace of Trump. (Eighty-one percent cast their vote for the philandering xenophobe in 2016.) Her book Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation dispels the notion that support for the famously licentious Trump constituted any sort of aberration for the movement.

Already in its fourth printing since its June publication, Du Mez’s book traces the crooked path to Trumpism: the celebrity evangelist Reverend Billy Sunday’s championing of “muscular Christianity” and Christian nationalism in the late 1800s and early 1900s; Graham’s more polished and calculated efforts in the midcentury to resist both civil and women’s rights; the Promise Keepers’ turn to “soft patriarchy” in the nineties to push complementarianism (essentially, the doctrine of “separate, but equal” applied to men and women); and post-9/11 white evangelicals’ return to the warrior-like masculinity that Sunday originally bolstered. Jesus and John Wayne takes all of the mystery out of a recent study that found that evangelicals suffer from phallic insecurity: They Google “male enhancement,” “ExtenZe,” and “penis pump” more often than their peers.

No numbers yet, but multiple fatalities reported in Boulder grocery store.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-shooting/index.html

At least 6 people dead including 1 law enforcement. Suspect taken alive.

was it just the grocery store? sounded like there was more than one location and/or shooting.

Sadly it looks like we’ve hit “at least ten people” killed now. Sending good thoughts to all the Colorado ilxors and the good people of a great city.

I had almost forgotten that weekly mass shootings was part of “getting back to normal” in America. Which isn’t to diminish the victims here at all, but... Jesus. Why?

A friend had to wait to pick her daughter up from daycare less than a mile away from that shopping center because it was in lockdown. Second lockdown there since she's been old enough to go to daycare. This fuckin country man.

Jesus, that’s awful and must be terrifying. I’m sorry to hear that.

Maybe this will light a fire under Sinema and Manchinthe Senate's ass to pick up the universal background check bill that passed the House.

i've been to the nordic place linked to that king's 3 times in the past 5 weeks. it's freaking me out. listening to another talking head go "it's a mystery how this actually happens" without melting every fucking gun makes me so insanely fucking angry.

my wife lived in Boulder for a year, I used to visit every month or two. I know exactly where this is.

reminder of the utter hypocrisy:

A white man walked into a grocery store in Boulder, killed 10 people, and was apprehended by the police and walked out of the building completely unharmed. Right down the road, police killed Elijah McClain while he apologized for not doing anything wrong. Two different Americas. https://t.co/JELFPDbZhh

— Dylan Park (@dyllyp) March 23, 2021

Hadn't heard if there was anything connecting the victims apart from chance vicinity at the wrong time so hadn't heard if there was a racist motive.
Can see there was a racist result in the response to the shooter or degree of it.
Does seem like mass shooting has a growing frequency. Hope it's not normalising, becoming less taboo for people. Should not be something continually nagging at people trying to live everyday lives. Do people look at random events think that could happen to me and give up daily activity.

I don't live in a place that uses guns in a widespread manner.
Do people walk around in a continuous state of PTSD
& carrying guns to prevent this happening to them.
& does the combination of tension and ready to hand weapon have any good result.
I did get to Belfast at a time when there were otherwise unemployed late teens with little life experience on street corners in British army uniforms holding loaded machine guns. & i don't think that went very well. I think it tended to create tension that it also fed off.
& would think that carrying guns would just perpetuate a cycle in US circumstances.

It's mostly in the background of our minds. In the days after one of these larger (newsworthy) sprees, I consciously think about where the exits are at cinemas and grocery stores. But that abates, until I'm reminded. I share a wall in my apartment with a neighbor, a divorced white male who wears pro 2nd Amendment and Blue Lives Matter t-shirts. I'm civil, but I know we could never be friends. It's bad enough having a sister whose coming down with the right wing brainworms.

i grew up in a place where the presumption was that probably 50-60% of people kept a gun of some sort in their car, fewer in urban areas and more in rural ones.

Jeez Sanpaku that sounds like an uncomfortable living situation being next to that guy. There's no telling what sort of minor difference of opinion could set a guy like that off.

It's not clear if this was before or after the shooting made the news, but they haven't taken it down yet:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. pic.twitter.com/eFBP2PTTUu

— NRA (@NRA) March 23, 2021

we live in a post-Trump society, no need to take something like that down anymore

this is what they posted a week ago

ICYMI: A Colorado judge gave law-abiding gun owners something to celebrate.

In an @NRAILA-supported case, he ruled that the city of Boulder’s ban on commonly-owned rifles (AR-15s) and 10+ round mags was preempted by state law and STRUCK THEM DOWN. https://t.co/wmdhGG16pc

— NRA (@NRA) March 16, 2021