Albert King
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
nirvana and robert johnson have to be up there
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
Did Nirvana really influence thaaaat many bands though? Or were all the bad second-wave grunge bands more Pearl Jam disciples?
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:27 (three years ago) link
maybe, i have never knowingly listened to pearl jam
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link
if you hate nu-metal then faith no more have a lot to answer for. i was thinking about them in this context anyway because like... papa roach is soooooo influenced by faith no more and they make horrible music― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:50 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:50 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Also: RATM
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
Yeah, Faith No More is def the classic answer at this point
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link
I think I've looked — and there's a lot — but there's literally never been a good Faith No More cover, which is real good indicator imo. Lots of good Tom Waits and Nirvana covers!
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link
tbh when i heard the real thing i thought what is this nu metal shit
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link
pearl jam
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:35 (three years ago) link
xpost cool
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
nu-metal > post-grunge for me, and pearl jam are the forefathers of the yarl rock groups that dominated rock radio for a decade
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:39 (three years ago) link
And I dunno, I don't hear much parallel between Faith No More and nu-metal other than it's hard rock combined with various other styles. Epic maybe, but I always heard nu-metal as Rage but without the politics
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link
next to ophura cunt tree musak is the wurst!
― xzanfar, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
Daft Punk must have influenced whole swathes of terrible EDM rubbish. Deadmaus was definitely taking notes
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link
"Epic" was a big hit, though. I don't think it's off-base to say that it could have influenced artists, including RATM.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
The Judgment Night soundtrack is the closest forerunner to nu-metal I guess?
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:39 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Come on, man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tpu_XoNABA
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
Youtube indie ukulele voice always scans as a gross perversion of Billie Holiday to me.
― Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
epic is nu metal af. linkin park did it better tho
― nothing (Left), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
I've seen so many nu metal acts who cite Faith No More as inspiration, including I would assume the band considered the most important nu metal band
"My favorite Faith No More record is The Real Thing. That's when Mike Patton took over. That's the one. I do like We Care a Lot. We got a lot of our influences from The Real Thing. It showed everybody you could do heavy music and not be "metal". It was something completely different." - Jonathan Davis 2015"They can do no wrong by me. They sound great. I like their new stuff, too. It fits right in with the old stuff, I think. I think everyone is so excited to hear them and see them playing together again, I know a couple of the guys, they're great guys and phenomenal musicians. To me, they're not a metal band. They always say they're not a metal band. I've always kind of felt that way about Korn. They inspired Fieldy and I to start a band and start playing. That was back in 1987, so it's inspiring that not only are they still going, but they sold out that place three nights in a row. It gives guys like me hope." - Munky Shaffer 2015"The chemistry of the way that Bill Gould plays bass in Faith No More is incredible. He and I kind of play the same, but he plays on-beat and with a pick most of the time, even though it sounds like he’s slapping. As much as I practise, I can’t play like that." - Fieldy 2020
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
Corollary question: has said bad influence dragged down your estimation of the good artist?
Like, I once rated Cream a great band, and they're hardly a broad influence these days, but I don't think of them as a great band anymore. Not sure if dull blues rock or Clapton's subsequent awfulness is the bigger weight.
― Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
I think Clapton's stock is real low across the board these days
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
Whiney - that video's unavailable in my country
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
I quite like Dion's cover of "Looking for the Heart of Saturday Night."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9fZLOqsTxM
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
System of a downSerj Tankian: “I love Faith No More and Mike Patton. Patton always pushes boundaries and does something completely different.”
SlikpnotCorey Taylor: “Mike Patton is a crazy genius. Watching him basically take the piss out of that entire audience and the fact everyone in that band had such diverse personalities that it worked, I was mesmerized. It shook my whole idea of what you can do musically”
DeftonesChino Moreno: “The first album had a couple of good songs, but Angel Dust sounded savage to me. It sounded way more like a Mike Patton record. I feel like he had a lot more influence on it.”
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
ramones' "i don't wanna grow up" is the first one i thought of too.
also, the various "way down in the hole" versions used in the wire.
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:56 (three years ago) link
important to note that there are many godawful tom waits covers too (eagles, rod stewart, scarlett johansson)
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link
It's still up for debate whether I saw Serj wandering around at the first Mr. Bungle reunion show
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
I think I actually like the nu-metal bands/songs best when they're influenced by Patton. System of a Down, definitely. Korn's second album sounds very much like he heard "Ugly In The Morning" and made a whole album out of that. So I concede on it - definitely a huge influence on the genre.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
The Scarlett Johannsson album is one of my favorite albums of the '00s
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
to look at?
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
maybe i should also renege slightly on the Waits covers: I've never heard one I can safely say improves on the original. None of the Wire ones float my boat
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, 18 March 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
Mike Patton is one of my favorite singers. Faith No More, one of my favorite bands of all time. Very inspiring to me. I fell in love with that band at a very young age, and I saw them a few times growing up. I was bummed out when they parted ways [in 1998], but they're doing shows again, which is awesome.But as far as influence, the way that I sing, I definitely was inspired by Mike Patton, but lyrically, I approach my songs very differently than Mike Patton does. He comes from a place of a bit more sarcasm... a lot more sarcasm. Whereas I come from that heart and soul kind of place. My two favorite singers are Mike Patton and Mike Ness from Social Distortion. Total opposites, but I like the storytelling that Mike Ness does so I kind of fused both those two guys together at an early age, and it inspired me to become my own thing." - Jacoby Shaddix
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
ums, i didn't notice an open quote so i thought you were speaking for yourself there haha
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
to look at?― voodoo chili, Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:59 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
― voodoo chili, Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:59 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
It's a bleary 4AD-style record by the TVOTR producer, the songwriting is obviously peerless, and ScarJo has an affectless post-punk delivery that everyone jizzed over when Italians Do It Better was doing the same.
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
voodoo I am jacoby shaddix just try to keep a low profile
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
trying to think of ground zero for the awful rinkydink uke/xylophone/toy piano sound that has defined music used in commercials, TV and movies for the last 15+ years, and coming back to the Mark Mothersbaugh's Wes Anderson soundtracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDYZ5CzfGg
impossible to hear that music today and not hear a voice going "think all credit monitoring apps are created equal? think again."
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
I rather like Sarah McLachlan's cover of "Ol' 55", Ramones cover of "I Don't Wanna Grow Up", and Holly Cole made an entire album of jazz-trio Waits covers that most people kinda dump on but I think is vg
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't consider them one of my favorite bands or anything but Mr. Bungle influenced a lot of nu metal and Disco Volante is a pretty solid album (the others have their moments, too).
― zacata, Thursday, 18 March 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
Stockhausen influenced a lot of third-rate "avant-garde" rock artists like Frank Zappa.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
and ... The Beatles
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
Zappa might be the worst artist who influenced far better music than they made themselves (argument begins...now). Probably another thread though.
― judged and found wanting by the steve hoffman forums (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
good call on the rushmore soundtrack one eye open
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:40
my first thought when i saw this thread
― mark e, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
Every influential artist ever.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
true.
― mark e, Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link
Dylan or the Beatles. That just comes with being massively influential - it's hard NOT to influence a lot of bad music when you're that famous and celebrated.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:12 (three years ago) link
I thought what we're focusing on here is the (negative) quality of the bad music, not the quantity...
― beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link
Whoever was responsible for post-grunge.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link
I wonder whether post-grunge really is the most hated genre of all time or if it's just an ILX affectation.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
Tom Waits was a pretty good influence on things up until the late 90s. That's almost 30 years. It started going south with Dresden Dolls, Gogol Bordello.
― Citole Country (bendy), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:44 (three years ago) link
not sure if this is correct, but I feel like a lot of extremely tepid 90s and early 2000s music was influenced by REM
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 18 March 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link
I went to Cesky Krumlov one time and spent the weekend hanging out with (among other people) the singer from a Tom Waits covers band, he was a nice guy and very funny but had also just done a load of acid and was only just about holding it together the whole time. I saw his band in Prague a few months later and they were pretty good, spoke to him afterwards and he had absolutely no memory at all of me or the weekend.
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link
I think the problem with post-grunge is that it was still a thing until the mid 00’s so it lasted for a better part of a decade. Also, it was hard to ignore because it managed to sneak in hits into mainstream radio.
That wasn’t a problem with say, nu metal because it hardly had radio airplay (were there many crossover hits? I think Linkin Park was the closest one) and it didn’t really last for a fucking decade.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:17 (three years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:38 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
pearl jam: Best artist who influenced the worst music
― voodoo chili, Thursday, 18 March 2021 21:30 (three years ago) link