Best artist who influenced the worst music

I think I've looked — and there's a lot — but there's literally never been a good Faith No More cover, which is real good indicator imo. Lots of good Tom Waits and Nirvana covers!

tbh when i heard the real thing i thought what is this nu metal shit

pearl jam

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I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover

nu-metal > post-grunge for me, and pearl jam are the forefathers of the yarl rock groups that dominated rock radio for a decade

And I dunno, I don't hear much parallel between Faith No More and nu-metal other than it's hard rock combined with various other styles. Epic maybe, but I always heard nu-metal as Rage but without the politics

next to ophura cunt tree musak is the wurst!

Daft Punk must have influenced whole swathes of terrible EDM rubbish. Deadmaus was definitely taking notes

And I dunno, I don't hear much parallel between Faith No More and nu-metal other than it's hard rock combined with various other styles. Epic maybe, but I always heard nu-metal as Rage but without the politics

"Epic" was a big hit, though. I don't think it's off-base to say that it could have influenced artists, including RATM.

The Judgment Night soundtrack is the closest forerunner to nu-metal I guess?

I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover

― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:39 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Come on, man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tpu_XoNABA

Youtube indie ukulele voice always scans as a gross perversion of Billie Holiday to me.

epic is nu metal af. linkin park did it better tho

I've seen so many nu metal acts who cite Faith No More as inspiration, including I would assume the band considered the most important nu metal band

"My favorite Faith No More record is The Real Thing. That's when Mike Patton took over. That's the one. I do like We Care a Lot. We got a lot of our influences from The Real Thing. It showed everybody you could do heavy music and not be "metal". It was something completely different." - Jonathan Davis 2015
"They can do no wrong by me. They sound great. I like their new stuff, too. It fits right in with the old stuff, I think. I think everyone is so excited to hear them and see them playing together again, I know a couple of the guys, they're great guys and phenomenal musicians. To me, they're not a metal band. They always say they're not a metal band. I've always kind of felt that way about Korn. They inspired Fieldy and I to start a band and start playing. That was back in 1987, so it's inspiring that not only are they still going, but they sold out that place three nights in a row. It gives guys like me hope." - Munky Shaffer 2015
"The chemistry of the way that Bill Gould plays bass in Faith No More is incredible. He and I kind of play the same, but he plays on-beat and with a pick most of the time, even though it sounds like he’s slapping. As much as I practise, I can’t play like that." - Fieldy 2020

Corollary question: has said bad influence dragged down your estimation of the good artist?

Like, I once rated Cream a great band, and they're hardly a broad influence these days, but I don't think of them as a great band anymore. Not sure if dull blues rock or Clapton's subsequent awfulness is the bigger weight.

I think Clapton's stock is real low across the board these days

Whiney - that video's unavailable in my country

I have never heard a good Tom Waits cover

I quite like Dion's cover of "Looking for the Heart of Saturday Night."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9fZLOqsTxM

System of a down
Serj Tankian: “I love Faith No More and Mike Patton. Patton always pushes boundaries and does something completely different.”

Slikpnot
Corey Taylor: “Mike Patton is a crazy genius. Watching him basically take the piss out of that entire audience and the fact everyone in that band had such diverse personalities that it worked, I was mesmerized. It shook my whole idea of what you can do musically”

Deftones
Chino Moreno: “The first album had a couple of good songs, but Angel Dust sounded savage to me. It sounded way more like a Mike Patton record. I feel like he had a lot more influence on it.”

ramones' "i don't wanna grow up" is the first one i thought of too.

also, the various "way down in the hole" versions used in the wire.

important to note that there are many godawful tom waits covers too (eagles, rod stewart, scarlett johansson)

It's still up for debate whether I saw Serj wandering around at the first Mr. Bungle reunion show

I think I actually like the nu-metal bands/songs best when they're influenced by Patton. System of a Down, definitely. Korn's second album sounds very much like he heard "Ugly In The Morning" and made a whole album out of that. So I concede on it - definitely a huge influence on the genre.

The Scarlett Johannsson album is one of my favorite albums of the '00s

to look at?

maybe i should also renege slightly on the Waits covers: I've never heard one I can safely say improves on the original. None of the Wire ones float my boat

Mike Patton is one of my favorite singers. Faith No More, one of my favorite bands of all time. Very inspiring to me. I fell in love with that band at a very young age, and I saw them a few times growing up. I was bummed out when they parted ways [in 1998], but they're doing shows again, which is awesome.
But as far as influence, the way that I sing, I definitely was inspired by Mike Patton, but lyrically, I approach my songs very differently than Mike Patton does. He comes from a place of a bit more sarcasm... a lot more sarcasm. Whereas I come from that heart and soul kind of place. My two favorite singers are Mike Patton and Mike Ness from Social Distortion. Total opposites, but I like the storytelling that Mike Ness does so I kind of fused both those two guys together at an early age, and it inspired me to become my own thing." - Jacoby Shaddix

ums, i didn't notice an open quote so i thought you were speaking for yourself there haha

to look at?

― voodoo chili, Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:59 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's a bleary 4AD-style record by the TVOTR producer, the songwriting is obviously peerless, and ScarJo has an affectless post-punk delivery that everyone jizzed over when Italians Do It Better was doing the same.

voodoo I am jacoby shaddix just try to keep a low profile

trying to think of ground zero for the awful rinkydink uke/xylophone/toy piano sound that has defined music used in commercials, TV and movies for the last 15+ years, and coming back to the Mark Mothersbaugh's Wes Anderson soundtracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDYZ5CzfGg

impossible to hear that music today and not hear a voice going "think all credit monitoring apps are created equal? think again."

maybe i should also renege slightly on the Waits covers: I've never heard one I can safely say improves on the original. None of the Wire ones float my boat

I rather like Sarah McLachlan's cover of "Ol' 55", Ramones cover of "I Don't Wanna Grow Up", and Holly Cole made an entire album of jazz-trio Waits covers that most people kinda dump on but I think is vg

I wouldn't consider them one of my favorite bands or anything but Mr. Bungle influenced a lot of nu metal and Disco Volante is a pretty solid album (the others have their moments, too).

Stockhausen influenced a lot of third-rate "avant-garde" rock artists like Frank Zappa.

and ... The Beatles

Zappa might be the worst artist who influenced far better music than they made themselves (argument begins...now). Probably another thread though.

good call on the rushmore soundtrack one eye open

and ... The Beatles

― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 March 2021 19:40

my first thought when i saw this thread

Every influential artist ever.

true.

Dylan or the Beatles. That just comes with being massively influential - it's hard NOT to influence a lot of bad music when you're that famous and celebrated.

I thought what we're focusing on here is the (negative) quality of the bad music, not the quantity...

Whoever was responsible for post-grunge.

I wonder whether post-grunge really is the most hated genre of all time or if it's just an ILX affectation.

Tom Waits was a pretty good influence on things up until the late 90s. That's almost 30 years. It started going south with Dresden Dolls, Gogol Bordello.

not sure if this is correct, but I feel like a lot of extremely tepid 90s and early 2000s music was influenced by REM

I went to Cesky Krumlov one time and spent the weekend hanging out with (among other people) the singer from a Tom Waits covers band, he was a nice guy and very funny but had also just done a load of acid and was only just about holding it together the whole time. I saw his band in Prague a few months later and they were pretty good, spoke to him afterwards and he had absolutely no memory at all of me or the weekend.

I think the problem with post-grunge is that it was still a thing until the mid 00’s so it lasted for a better part of a decade. Also, it was hard to ignore because it managed to sneak in hits into mainstream radio.

That wasn’t a problem with say, nu metal because it hardly had radio airplay (were there many crossover hits? I think Linkin Park was the closest one) and it didn’t really last for a fucking decade.

Whoever was responsible for post-grunge.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, March 18, 2021 3:38 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

pearl jam: Best artist who influenced the worst music