Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

Luddites were fighting capitalism not technology though

i already said progress & modernity

Sorry, the thread context may have misled me? I get annoyed by the popular misunderstanding of Luddites as being against technological change per se (like they'd be smashing Playstations today or something), rather than against deskilling of their labor and subsequent wage slashing. I mean they're not politically conservative in any way.

Anyway, I am sympathetic to an abstract, idealized version of small-c conservatism that is motivated by a desire to understand and preserve the past.

I am sympathetic to an abstract, idealized version of small-c conservatism that is motivated by a desire to understand and preserve the past.

This is indeed preferable to, say, Marinetti-style Futurism.

I was exploiting a possibly overliteral definition of conservatism to complain about the basically uncritical glorification of industrialism found across the political spectrum today- because some leftists will call you a fascist if you take issue with this (fascism being famously anti-industrial apparently)

to me anti-industrialism is what sets hippies aside from leftists, at least since marx there has been a ‘game recognize game’ dynamic.

i don’t agree that people are too uncritical of industrialism and progress today, but to the extent they are it’s probably a reflection of the strong nostalgic strain on the left. leftists are wistful for industrialism as we enter a post-industrial age

if the whole "capitalism is an improvement" thing is a necessary part of being a leftist then i'm much more of a hippie

i've been thinking about limnits, i guess, and grey areas. also violence. here's an uncool conservative belief: violence is unavoidable.

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Another one: utopia is unachievable for the foreseeable future because biological existence is itself broken rather than just us anthropocentric apes and the sociopolitical systems we have set up to bear the unbearable. I draw no quietist conclusions from this, however. Something must be done to improve our lot, be it almost nothing. So not quite a conservative belief per se, but definitely an uncool one ca. 2021.

i thought u were talking about industrialism and technological progress. anyways, recognizing emancipatory potential of industry’s productive forces is pretty old school

The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature’s forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalisation of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground — what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labour?

The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property. The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them. And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.

The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.

but even marx and engels couldn’t help wax nostalgic about the cottage-core small scale skilled craftsmen mode of production that predates industrial production and division of labour. it’s something that’s always been confusing to me in marxism. if workers are going to exploit this industrial technology to form a revolutionary class, and then overthrow it and return to an idyllic pre-industrial form of production where labor is not alienated (the quote about being a “fisherman in the afternoon”) presumably they would also lose the corresponding increase in standard of living that came from industrial production?

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marx is confusing on this as on many other issues (imperialism, primitive accumulation, the state, the bourgeoisie) where he clearly has qualms with something he needs (in this case a whiggish notion of progress applied to modes of production) to make part of the theory work and/or win an argument with a rival. his worst followers removed all ambivalence or ambiguity

Marijuana should be 100% legal but public smoking of it--and public smoking of anything (tobacco, vape smoke, banana peels)-- should be shunned by all right thinking people.
I don't want your second hand smoke.

That's not a conservative view, it's nanny state liberalism

does 2nd hand vapour bother people (besides the smell)? serious q

can we still smoke in the park if we're like 50 yards away?

liberalism

words with contradictory meanings

I assumed the smell was what was being objected to. Of vaping that is, not liberalism.

i was wondering if it caused respiratory issues for some ppl in which case fair enough. if it's jsut the smell then get rid of cars first and then we'll talk

liberalism doesn't smell that great either these days

weed smells good

I assumed the smell was what was being objected to. Of vaping that is, not liberalism.

https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/22657703/740full-night-train-to-lisbon-screenshot.jpg9

Look I thought this was a judgement free zone. Of course ban cars. Ban everything. Murder me.

ban cars

Take it to the reveal your cool revolutionary beliefs thread.

weed smells good

My uncool conservative belief is it smells like shit. Not literally.

sounds like the people smoking near you just haven't found the right strain

It smells good when you're smoking it, terrible when you're not.

weed smells good, so does tobacco and petrol.

No they don't. Paraffin does though.

Tobacco also smells good when you're smoking it. Gasoline smells great at all times (cue 'Gasoline Dreams').

yeah that's good too.

bad smells: burnt hair, moxibustion smoke, halva

Also bad:

Semen Smell

I don't want to necro this thread but it had to be acknowledged somehow.

sounds like the people smoking near you just haven't found the right strain

It's not so much people smoking it as people who've smoked so much of it they stink of it.

I mean if I am walking past someone in the street and they are smoking tobacco or weed or most vape fluids, that's generally a good smell, but any of these infused into stale clothes with sweat are bad.

the weird semen smell from whatever tree that is, it's not offensive but I don't enjoy it

The linden tree? Per that Mitchell and Webb sketch? I never got that at all. Those smells have nothing in common.

I don't know if it's the linden, it really does smell like fruity cum though

it's the bradford pear tree, big tree with white flowers all over in the spring

This is a bit of a tangent but I was really confused when I found out Brits call linden tea 'lime flower tea'. I mean, lime trees are something else entirely.

Was confused about this in a book I just read (Bringing Up the Bodies, maybe):

Tilia is a genus of about 30 species of trees or bushes, native throughout most of the temperate Northern Hemisphere. The tree is known as linden for the European species, and basswood for North American species. In Britain and Ireland they are commonly called lime trees or lime bushes, although they are not closely related to the tree that produces the lime fruit.

semen and weed both smell amazing sheesh

i mean they gotta be fresh otherwise yeah they smell bad

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/under-the-yum-yum-tree/

Male gingko trees, when fruiting, can smell pretty nastily of sex.

As for

It smells good when you're smoking it, terrible when you're not.

This is true of most smokables and most smokers ime. When you're smoking something, it's on fire right underneath your nose. So it smells fine to you because you immediately become nose-blind to it. Everyone around you? Not so much.

Hence, smokers frequently don't understand why nonsmokers are annoyed by the smell of smoke
And nonsmokers don't understand why smokers don't understand their annoyance.

It smells good when you're smoking it, terrible when you're not.

i prefer the smell when someone else is smoking it, especially at a distance. it's sweeter? and i love the smell of weed itself (like, not being smoked) best

Flopson, in my youth I loved the smell of pipe tobacco, but only when someone else was smoking - when I smoked a pipe myself it wasn't nearly as nice (because of the nise-blind phenomenon). My college roommate and I would sometimes take turns for precisely that reason.

Also I have always loved the smell of cigarettes before they're burned. I used to live in a city where when the wind was right you could smell the tobacco drying in barns and it was lovely.

tobacco pre-burnt smells like raisins to me

It's the sweet chestnut that smells of semen. Around June/July, when they're flowering, the woods fair reek of jizz.