Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

A friend had to wait to pick her daughter up from daycare less than a mile away from that shopping center because it was in lockdown. Second lockdown there since she's been old enough to go to daycare. This fuckin country man.

Jesus, that’s awful and must be terrifying. I’m sorry to hear that.

Maybe this will light a fire under Sinema and Manchinthe Senate's ass to pick up the universal background check bill that passed the House.

i've been to the nordic place linked to that king's 3 times in the past 5 weeks. it's freaking me out. listening to another talking head go "it's a mystery how this actually happens" without melting every fucking gun makes me so insanely fucking angry.

my wife lived in Boulder for a year, I used to visit every month or two. I know exactly where this is.

reminder of the utter hypocrisy:

A white man walked into a grocery store in Boulder, killed 10 people, and was apprehended by the police and walked out of the building completely unharmed. Right down the road, police killed Elijah McClain while he apologized for not doing anything wrong. Two different Americas. https://t.co/JELFPDbZhh

— Dylan Park (@dyllyp) March 23, 2021

Hadn't heard if there was anything connecting the victims apart from chance vicinity at the wrong time so hadn't heard if there was a racist motive.
Can see there was a racist result in the response to the shooter or degree of it.
Does seem like mass shooting has a growing frequency. Hope it's not normalising, becoming less taboo for people. Should not be something continually nagging at people trying to live everyday lives. Do people look at random events think that could happen to me and give up daily activity.

I don't live in a place that uses guns in a widespread manner.
Do people walk around in a continuous state of PTSD
& carrying guns to prevent this happening to them.
& does the combination of tension and ready to hand weapon have any good result.
I did get to Belfast at a time when there were otherwise unemployed late teens with little life experience on street corners in British army uniforms holding loaded machine guns. & i don't think that went very well. I think it tended to create tension that it also fed off.
& would think that carrying guns would just perpetuate a cycle in US circumstances.

It's mostly in the background of our minds. In the days after one of these larger (newsworthy) sprees, I consciously think about where the exits are at cinemas and grocery stores. But that abates, until I'm reminded. I share a wall in my apartment with a neighbor, a divorced white male who wears pro 2nd Amendment and Blue Lives Matter t-shirts. I'm civil, but I know we could never be friends. It's bad enough having a sister whose coming down with the right wing brainworms.

i grew up in a place where the presumption was that probably 50-60% of people kept a gun of some sort in their car, fewer in urban areas and more in rural ones.

Jeez Sanpaku that sounds like an uncomfortable living situation being next to that guy. There's no telling what sort of minor difference of opinion could set a guy like that off.

It's not clear if this was before or after the shooting made the news, but they haven't taken it down yet:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. pic.twitter.com/eFBP2PTTUu

— NRA (@NRA) March 23, 2021

we live in a post-Trump society, no need to take something like that down anymore

this is what they posted a week ago

ICYMI: A Colorado judge gave law-abiding gun owners something to celebrate.

In an @NRAILA-supported case, he ruled that the city of Boulder’s ban on commonly-owned rifles (AR-15s) and 10+ round mags was preempted by state law and STRUCK THEM DOWN. https://t.co/wmdhGG16pc

— NRA (@NRA) March 16, 2021

Not wrong

http://gawker.com/the-gun-control-movement-needs-its-own-pro-life-fanatic-1734711064

This doesn’t just mean marches and protests. It means constant marches and protests, and open and blatant harassment of your political opponents. It means protesting at the homes of gun manufacturing company executives and trying to shut down gun stores. It means very publicly making a scene at as many gun shops as possible, and personally attacking—verbally, but bordering on physically—people trying to enter those stores to legally purchase guns.

After all, the point of screaming at women outside a clinic isn’t to erect a legal barrier to abortion access, it’s to prevent that woman from getting an abortion, and to dissuade others from even considering it. It’s to prevent abortion from being considered a legitimate option. Aren’t there a couple thousand gun control activists out there passionate enough to want to stand outside gun shops and provoke confrontations with open-carry wingnuts?

They can’t be serious. You’ll get shot the instant one of these nuts feels “threatened” and the cops will high five them for it.

Seriously. I am all for more aggressive methods to push for gun control, but the only way thing that seems likely to come out of such a scenario is gun nuts killing more people.

The pro life shit at abortion clinics is obviously heinous and evil, but it was because they were intimidating women at one of the most vulnerable times of their lives that it worked as a terror tactic. It does not apply equally to attacking rage fueled gun nuts walking into the place where they literally feed that gun nut addiction.

I’m all for creative solutions to push gun control forward, but that particular tactic ain’t it.

The pro life shit at abortion clinics is obviously heinous and evil, but it was because they were intimidating women at one of the most vulnerable times of their lives that it worked as a terror tactic.

agreed

It does not apply equally to attacking rage fueled gun nuts walking into the place where they literally feed that gun nut addiction.

right, it doesn’t “apply equally” because it’s not heinous and evil. it’s not a terror tactic. it’s a public shame tactic. after reading your post i’m not sure why you think that’s a bad idea. it would certainly come with risks.

'Risks' suggests some <100% chance that you get shot.

it’s a public shame tactic. after reading your post i’m not sure why you think that’s a bad idea. it would certainly come with risks.

Fine, I won't argue that it's a public shame tactic. But you are purposely misconstruing the larger point of my post and "risks" is underselling the point quite significantly, imo. It's not a risk of arrest or of getting yelled at in return, it's the risk of the gun shop owner, one of the other (very likely) armed customers or the target of the "shaming" themselves murdering the person doing the shaming and, based on available evidence, possibly innocent bystanders as well.

But, hell, if you feel perfectly safe screaming in the face of a likely armed and rage fueled gun nut at the site of where gun nuts congregate and purchase more guns and ammunition, well, I don't think we're going to find much common ground on this one.

I will say that it seems like a gigantic punk out on the part of the publisher to make this argument and use as the cover picture a drawing rather than a photograph.

I assumed that was a riff on an existing pro-life meme but I don't exactly keep track of pro-life memes.

jon i'm not in the US, so it's easy for me to say this, but regular people have taken pretty large risks to their own well-being to change terrible situations throughout US history - and we all owe a lot to them!

I don't disagree with risks taken in the past, but I think the dynamics and the current gun situation in America changes the equation of the risks considerably. I also think it's only going to add to the large sense of persecution that these nuts carry around with them. It's not that I don't think risks aren't sometimes worth taking to enact change, it's more that I don't think the risks are going to move the needle on this at all, rather I think it will actually fuel the persecution complex of gun nuts to an even greater degree, and it's not going to be worth the body count.

I don't know about the dangers of confronting these gun nuts - certainly I've seen video and news footage of various factions in each others faces, with and without violent results - but "shaming?" They can't be shamed. They have no shame. If anything they have a surplus of pride.

The persecution complex of gun nuts is a given, the goal should be to actually persecute them

I don't disagree with risks taken in the past, but I think the dynamics and the current gun situation in America changes the equation of the risks considerably.

can I just drop the entire history of Black people in America here

Some massive gun nutter site just got hacked and all the user info shared online.
It’s not abortion clinic-level confrontation, but it’s certainly safer.

Four dead, including child, in Orange County mass shooting incident.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-four-dead-including-child-in-orange-county-mass-shooting-incident/ar-BB1fbwRZ

"Orange Police said this is the first mass shooting there since 1997."

Fuck

Horrific story out of South Carolina. A source close to the investigation says former NFL player Phillip Adams killed five people including doctor Dr. Robert Lesslie & his wife Barbara and his grandchildren Adah, age 9 & Noah, age 5. #FOX35 @fox35orlando https://t.co/uFP2lDDezI

— Amy Kaufeldt FOX 35 (@Fox35Amy) April 8, 2021

jfc

I feel completely hopeless that America is ever going to tackle this, we all are being forced to live with the reality that being shot is an acceptable* price for living in America in 2021.

* - and of course it's not fucking acceptable, but whatever. I'm furious about how easily and quickly we've shifted back to this being just a normal part of daily life.

horrifying.

and overlapping with another ongoing american mess (football)

well the way to stop gun violence is for everybody to have guns and then there will be no more gun violence.

I know things were trending in this direction anyway but the timing of "enough, here are executive orders to manage gun violence" hot off the backs of two shooting incidents where the shooter was Black has some very unfortunate echoes with the way this country has conducted itself in the past

This probably has something to do with it too

Gun ownership among Black Americans is soaring https://t.co/eb8ULoz4Ag pic.twitter.com/OyFTYLMXrK

— The Hill (@thehill) April 5, 2021

JFC... busy day in America:

Several people injured in shooting in Bryan, Texas, police say
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/08/us/bryan-texas-shooting/index.html

Industrial-park shootings are some of the saddest. Imagine going to work in those nondescript places for years and then...

it's a meme. when people feel like they're at their wit's end, this is an idea that feels available to them.

of all the things about america that make me want to leave, these killings are one of the biggest. and it's not just about gun violence. there is something cultural about this. it's like a sick form of expression to these people.

gun laws i mean -- it's not just about gun laws, or mental illness for that matter. it's a social pathology.

Workplace shootings seem to be the most anonymous and most quickly forgotten these days as well. Maybe back in the 80s ("going postal") they were still searing and commanded big media attention, but now they're so, so common.

School and box store shootings still manage to stir up some collective grief and a desire for a 'national conversation' that lasts a day or two, but these these are forgotten so quickly - except for the family, friends, and coworkers left behind.

exactly. it's just ambient death we accept in the background, like drone strikes or car crashes.

BREAKING: Knoxville, Tennessee, Police: "Multiple gunshot victims reported, including a KPD officer" at Austin-East Magnet High School.

"The investigation remains active at this time. Please avoid the area." https://t.co/5uPfjfRYJk

— NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt (@NBCNightlyNews) April 12, 2021

Yeah, my work partner is out covering that school shooting now. Not an actual spree shooting but terrible anyway. A school security officer approached a kid who he'd been told was carrying a gun. The kid pulled out the gun and shot the officer (who's an actual Knoxville cop, not a school employee), and the officer shot the kid in return. The kid died, the officer is in the hospital but seems like he'll live. It's the latest in a series of shootings of students of that school since January, although none of the others have actually happened at school.

fucks sake. this is insane. one school!

https://eu.knoxnews.com/story/news/education/2021/02/18/austin-east-community-violence-knoxvilles-not-ours/6782730002/

a well regulated militia

Things you cannot actually make up: the shooting caused the Tennessee House of Representatives to delay its vote planned for today on a resolution declaring us a Second Amendment Sanctuary State. Even they realized it might look a little tacky. But just for a week.

Being governed by these assholes is exactly why I can never muster the outrage at neolib-centrist Democrats I'm supposed to. Neolib centrists would be a fucking godsend.

BREAKING: Four dead, 7 injured in mass shooting at FedEx facility in Indianapolis, police source says.

It never ends. And not a damn thing will be done about these endless mass shootings.

— Spiro Agnew’s Ghost (@SpiroAgnewGhost) April 16, 2021