back when I had an art job, I seriously was talking to my boss about possibly commissioning you, Karl ... or like, some small stipend to feature your web-work on our blog or something ... idk, I spend a lot of time talking to artists about money and the hustle and seeing what they make, and how, and ... it's really challenging.
― sarahell, Sunday, 28 March 2021 02:16 (three years ago) link
i really appreciate that, sarahell. that's really nice of you, it really is. <3 thank you. i think if that would have came through in the last few years, i would have massively fucked up the opportunity! i think the thing that precipated my big breakdown a few years ago was the Longmont Potion Castle opportunity. Seriously, basic income is better for me. just give me a check, let me do my thing for just a couple people. hustling is terrible for me, it hurts my body
i just had a really wonderful moment that probably illustrates a healthier relationship to art (for me). i just learned how to play find the river on guitar, and then sweetness followed followed, on spotify, so i learned how to play that last night. i just got my second shot in my arm, and i'm going to a backyard BBQ at a friend's place in a couple weeks with some early vaxxers. maybe i'll just play those songs for them. i don't do that, normally (ever. at all), but i feel like just doing it and they all know that i'm in a weird place and be accepting and understanding of it, i think. these are people i know, and i'll play them the songs and they'll remember that i liked rem a ton in high school 20 years ago, and i think they'll appreciate that. that seems so much better than having some special motion graphix trick appreciated by some libertarian turd for .42323 ETH, and having that awful subsidiary thought "should i do this stupid mograph trick again, only slighly better, to please some other turd for slightly more?", gross!
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Sunday, 28 March 2021 02:34 (three years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdj79/peoples-expensive-nfts-keep-vanishing-this-is-why
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 09:08 (three years ago) link
Clements distinguished between the NFT artwork (the image) and the NFT, which is the little cryptographic signature that actually gets logged. "I use the analogy of OpenSea and similar platforms acting like windows into a gallery where your NFT is hanging,” he said. “The platform can close the window whenever they want, but the NFT still exists and it is up to each platform to decide whether or not they want to close their window.”
"I use the analogy of OpenSea and similar platforms acting like windows into a gallery where your NFT is hanging,” he said. “The platform can close the window whenever they want, but the NFT still exists and it is up to each platform to decide whether or not they want to close their window.”
This is such a tortured metaphor. They had to hint that the artwork is still on their platform (it is on their server, but they'll never make it available), which led to "windows" in a gallery.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 09:25 (three years ago) link
Show me your NFTs dude *looks toward the clouds*Some say they’re always there, if you have the eyes to see them
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
An NFT for a picture of 1 paper share of circuit city stock
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link
can't we just go back to trading stickers
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:16 (three years ago) link
Pogs, please
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
Last month, Tom Kuennen, a property manager from Ontario, coughed up $500 worth of cryptocurrency for a JPEG of an Elon Musk-themed “Moon Ticket” from DarpaLabs, an anonymous digital art collective. He purchased it through the marketplace OpenSea, one of the largest vendors of so-called non-fungible tokens, or NFTs, in the hopes of reselling it for a profit. “It’s like a casino,” he said in an interview. “If it goes up 100 times you resell it, if it doesn't, well, you don’t tell anyone.”
“It’s like a casino,” he said in an interview. “If it goes up 100 times you resell it, if it doesn't, well, you don’t tell anyone.”
:D
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
i don't have a very large art collection. just a few real things. but when i look at them, i do think of the potential profit, and it brings me great joy, perhaps the greatest i've felt
gee, i hope elon musk's butthole rises in value today
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:39 (three years ago) link
a rising butthole lifts all shits
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:43 (three years ago) link
i have brought this upon myself
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link
he may have turned to the dark side, but lol
https://davidoreilly.medium.com/the-definitive-nft-medium-article-500855317d8a
― imago, Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
list of links at the bottom hits kinda hard after all that
― imago, Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
It is from this turning point that I began a journey of discovery that opened my eyes to the danger and cost of this technology. Make no mistake — NFTs are not harmless and not benign, and have zero to do with artists making money. They are — and I do not say this lightly — without a doubt the single greatest threat that planet Earth has ever faced.
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:08 (three years ago) link
not that any of this justifies NFTs, it's just quite funny
― imago, Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
Oh, I kept reading. Well I’m still the king
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link
for you Karl
paddington bear has made an NFT (New Friend Today)— Paddington Bear Updates (no affiliation) (@fakepaddington) March 30, 2021
― rob, Thursday, 1 April 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
One of my favorite crypto-asshole arguments is that crypto is actually GOOD for the environment because the demand it creates for renewable energy is driving innovation, or something.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
every fucking dipshit is using NFTs as their april fools joke, brilliant work marketing people
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link
NFTs may finally bring about the magical economy, where everyone in the world's income is derived from taking in everyone else's laundry buying and selling NFT-tagged images.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Thursday, 1 April 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2021-04-03/robot-s-nft-art-sells-for-over-688k-video
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
https://artreview.com/why-the-artworld-loves-to-hate-nft-art-beeple-christies-grimes/
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
good ^^
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link
I feel like even calling it "NFT Art" is a misnomer. It's digital art. An NFT is just a thing you sell that is nominally attached to a piece of digital art.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link
But what kind of digital art is valued by NFT investors? So far you aren't seeing NFTs for Sothebys-style art make much of an impact.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
i prefer "NFT Art", because it carries with it the meaning "this is shitty art, in addition to the shitty people who buy and sell it"
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link
modern art institutions are coming around to digital art in slow motion (comparable to how it took decades for the "art world" to come around to "motion pictures" at art, or the excruciating "conversation" around the idea of "games" as art now)
imo a good artist should reject NFTs and crypto-bullshit, but they sure as fuck better be rejecting whatever "art world" previously existed as well.
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link
trying to sell good digital art to a NFT turd is like selling pogs to a rich adolescent
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:38 (three years ago) link
NF(art)T
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
http://blog.seanbonner.com/2021/03/12/wtf-nft/
it's hard to believe someone is comparing the environmental cost of cryptocurrency with the entirety of the global banking systembitcoin's total value right now ~$1 trillion, I wonder how much the entire global banking system processes in a year?
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 9 April 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
Whenever I see this thread title I immediately think of newts and efts, as in this article. Once my brain saw this connection, it cannot unsee it.
― sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Friday, 9 April 2021 23:50 (three years ago) link
from that artreview piece
https://backend.artreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/b1e-1230x586.jpg"A popular internet meme of 2020 features an outraged bowtied figure who insists to another figure (representing the US Federal Reserve) that he can’t just ‘artificially inflate the economy by creating money’. To which the Fed character, next to a printer busily printing dollars, grins ‘haha, money printer go brrrrr’. Billions have been minted by central banks to support the incomes of people suffering the economic effects of the lockdown response to COVID-19. But printing money means that interest rates for fiat currency are effectively zero. In those circumstances, it’s not hard to see the attraction of moving fiat currency into cryptocurrency, or flipping virtual artworks that might increase rapidly in value, as Beeple’s CROSSROADS did in February, when it was resold for $6.6m, from an original sale of $66.6k. Cryptocurrency, NFTs and visual art have, without the artworld quite grasping it, combined at a moment when fiat currency has, in essence, become worthless, wages are dead and there is no reason for most people to save for a future that seems utterly without promise."
zero interest rate means money is worthless. right.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 10 April 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
I always trust artists to have a firm grasp of Central Bank monetary policy. I would like the author of that piece to do a performance art piece where they destroyed piles of 'worthless fiat currency" to prove their point.
― sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Saturday, 10 April 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
hard to put into words how fucked america is, but this article headline almost thoroughly does it pic.twitter.com/INMg4zyvz4— Younger (@JustinYounger) April 8, 2021
― Bastard Lakes (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 April 2021 18:29 (three years ago) link
the subheadline does it too
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
https://babbykense.medium.com/a-response-to-jisus-nft-superdocument-33ac27a5ad38
catching up to this one, in the wake of catching up to Jisu's popular 'voice of reason' / 'voice of the younger & minority NFT middle class'
blockchain is good because decentralization is good. what do NFTs ultimately decentralize? they decentralize authentication
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 10 April 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link
When I see artists I admire promote N f Ts now I just smh
― calstars, Saturday, 10 April 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link
RIP NFTs
https://crypto.jayandsilentbob.com
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link
just saw an artist friend has started doing this, guess he has no other way to stay afloat, sad times all round.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
Is there any possible doubt in anyone's mind that these are going to be looked at as the pogs of 2021? feel free to quote this to me in 2030 when beeple is president
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 April 2021 02:35 (three years ago) link
I agree, but I thought bitcoin would be a joke by now.
― nickn, Thursday, 15 April 2021 02:39 (three years ago) link
bitcoin benefited from arriving on the last train before the end of capitalism, social media overload and nihilism as smart businessi imagine a sunspot is gonna wipe every server on earth and then all this shit will be so much dust in the wind aka SOON A CLEANSING
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 15 April 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link
great news for "success kid" and "bad luck Brian"
https://www.yahoo.com/now/disaster-girl-meme-nft-214005699.html
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
the only nfts i deal in are nerds in the Fucking trashcan. suck my Dick— wint (@dril) April 30, 2021
― chihuahuau, Friday, 30 April 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link
Interesting interview between curtator Michelle Kuo and artist Seth Price on NFTs here: https://www.moma.org/magazine/articles/547
relevant quote
SP: You were talking about getting at some idea of what art is, or how it behaves. Actually, there is one way that contemporary art is kind of the perfect vehicle for NFTs. A financial instrument is a contract between people. That’s literally all it is, a highly abstract agreement. And that’s what art is, too. There’s a weird consonance there. Art has no consistent agreed-upon value, there’s no common definition of what art even is. So an NFT artwork is a pretty complex social agreement that, first of all, this is art; second of all, it has value; third, we’ll transfer it into this even more crazy realm. All of this transformation is a kind of suspension of disbelief, or a kind of magic. It’s like, the more we dematerialize everything, the more potential material we can get. We don’t really have a cosmology that can hold all these weird contradictions we’re making. That’s the paradox of the moment we’re in.
― it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 30 April 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
maybe I misunderstand, but quote seems to imply that the creation of the NFT is "transferring it into this even more crazy realm" and "dematerializing". But the NFT is doing the opposite. it's taking something less material, say a moment in time, and making it material by sending light over a network that then instructs computers to reorganize some electrons into a state that is maintained. If all of the computers containing the distributed ledger were destroyed, the NFT would cease to exist.
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 April 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
sold an NFT of the meme for roughly $500,000 worth of Ether
yeah, but where's she going to store all those cans, eh??
― sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Friday, 30 April 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
and even the "art" that's less material generally has something more material but less scarce than the an NFT associated with it, such as a digital image or video from the moment. it's like we all rode splash mountain and had fucking hell of a great time doing so. disney makes an NFT for "riding splash mountain". person who buys that NFT should be concerned that everyone who loved it already has a picture of themselves riding splash mountain in their living room.
― If you value Vox, we have an axe (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 April 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link