Elon Musk

if you dont think doing the major surgeries needed to forestall catastrophe are possible then theres really no point in applying the bandaids like electric cars

transportation, mostly cars and trucks, is the single greatest source of greenhouse gases? am I missing something????

electric cars produce greenhouse gasses, i mean theyre better than fuel burning cars but its marginal, where public transpo is orders of magnitudes better

and just on a philosophical level the sort of fatalist incrementalism of contemporary liberalism where building public transportation, something that has been done before and in fact continues to be done, is impossible but electric cars are going to save us is well its just... uhh not great

eh even with the electricity generation and the battery manufacturing, it's a 2-3x reduction. and as we decarbonize electricity generation that number will get better and better.

i'll be overjoyed to be proven wrong here, but we don't just have to build public transportation, we have to build housing stock in saner places where transit makes sense ... we can't even build houses to solve homelessness. i'm not saying we'll get nothing done here, but thinking electric vehicles don't have an important role to play in this transition is ... it's bad, lagoon. bad.

i generally agree. electric cars are a good thing. they're not the answer, but nothing is. do it all.

you are of course misrepresenting what i said because youre mad but something to think about cars now are well more than 2x3 times less polluting than they were 30 years ago and yet here we are xp

was thinking the other day about how every person i know irl who ever brings up elon musk thinks he rules and is explicitly going to save humanity and they love him very much which i of course think is insane and bad but what can you do

i will happily say definitively electric are not a good thing, they are quite obviously a less bad thing, and obvs were never going to get rid of cars totally so yeah they should be electric cars and in fact i feel quite confident the world is moving in that direction

A part of the hate is that you can't on one hand claim to be saving the world with electric cars and on the other lobby against mass public transit when obviously the latter is key in fighting climate change. In a better world this is not a zero sum game and both will coexist but Elon Musk seems to insist that it can't (what else is that ridiculous tunnel?) and couch that rhetoric with heavy classism.

Also I have no idea who the CEO of Honda or VW are but Elon Musk I do and he is jerk and that can't help the branding.

and "do it all" is good if all of the things includes big transformative projects, but if its just cover for thinking that a grab bag of corporate friendly incremental solutions is going to forestall environmental catastrophe maybe its better to not do it all

xpost

also promoting bitcoin which will cancel out any possible gains from evs

^ in months prob

mining the metal to make a new car still pollutes more than the car will do over the rest of its life afaik

The automotive industry and oil industry just failed to move on quickly enough to ensure... human survival.

damn, and they tried so hard to do so :(

i know the US is currently the major carbon emitter here, but this discussion ignores that it doesn't have most of the cars, and there are a bunch of countries culturally/economically/geographically well suited to transit, and pushing electrification of private vehicles in those countries is climate arson.

electrification of private vehicles not just incrementalism, it's a local minimum that will trap us (like a lot of mainstream liberal policies in the US, btw.)

i mean, in the next 10-20 years we'll start to see mass population migration in the US, so I guess we've got a chance to resettle people into dense urban environments.

people already want to live those places thats why theyre so expensive we just need to build more

electrification of private vehicles not just incrementalism, it's a local minimum that will trap us (like a lot of mainstream liberal policies in the US, btw.)

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, April 17, 2021 12:20 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

year cars really are just a disaster on so many levels

people already want to live those places thats why theyre so expensive we just need to build more

I do see some movement in my state to make that happen. I wish it would happen faster. I'm pitching in where I can in my city, although as my debating style here indicates I'm probably more of a liability in public forums. I dunno, I'm pessimistic.

history is full of way more lost causes that won out keep giving em hell

if your state is california then i think you are right to be pessimistic about changes in land use. it's just not in anyone important's short term financial interest.

still, i do see a lot of teslas here in america's least affordable city!

If Elon Musk gets lost in space will TESLA still go on??

Or is it a pharaoh company that depends on a magical leader

‘No one was driving the car’: 2 men dead after fiery Tesla crash in Spring, officials say

Herman said authorities believe no one else was in the car and that it burst into flames immediately. He said it he believes it wasn’t being driven by a human.

Harris County Constable Precinct 4 deputies said the vehicle was traveling at a high speed when it failed to negotiate a cul-de-sac turn, ran off the road and hit the tree.

KPRC 2 reporter Deven Clarke spoke to one man’s brother-in-law who said he was taking the car out for a spin with his best friend, so there were just two in the vehicle.

The owner, he said, backed out of the driveway, and then may have hopped in the back seat only to crash a few hundred yards down the road. He said the owner was found in the back seat upright.

The brother-in-law of one of the victims said relatives watched the car burn for four hours as authorities tried to tap out the flames.

Authorities said they used 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames because the vehicle’s batteries kept reigniting. At one point, Herman said, deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out the fire in the battery.

elon stays winning

deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out the fire in the battery.

Operators are standing by.

we didn't start the fire. It's been always burnin since the teslas aren't turnin.

"I talked to my supervisor and he says you guys are pedophiles"

the car's on fire, and there's no driver at the wheel

The brother-in-law of one of the victims said relatives watched the car burn for four hours as authorities tried to tap out the flames.

they watched their relatives burn to death? eesh

if Elon gets stoned today, 60% chance he tweets about how Teslas are great value because they save you the cost of a crematory

deputies had to call Tesla to ask them how to put out the fire in the battery.

The advice is “you don’t.” Look at the firefighting section in the manual:

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/2016_Model_S_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf

idgi?

FIREFIGHTING

USE WATER TO FIGHT A HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY FIRE. If the battery catches fire, is exposed to high heat, or is generating heat orgases, use large amounts of water to cool the battery. It can take approximately 3,000 gallons (11,356 liters) of water, applied directly to the battery, to fully extinguish and cool down a battery fire; always establish or request an additional water supply. If water is not immediately available, use dry chemicals, CO2, foam, or another typical fire-extinguishing agent to fight the fire until water is available.Apply water directly to the battery. If safety permits, lift or tilt the vehicle for more direct access to the battery. Apply water inside the battery ONLY if a natural opening (such as a vent or opening from a collision) already exists. Do not open the battery for the purpose of cooling it.

Extinguish small fires that do not involve the high voltage battery using typical vehicle firefighting procedures

Authorities said they used 32,000 gallons of water to extinguish the flames because the vehicle’s batteries kept reigniting.

seems like it wouldnt be great if one of these caught fire inside some sort of structure

three car fires = Armageddon for the globe's water supply

Honestly shocked that li-ion fires haven't already caused devastating problems. But now we have huge concentrations of them moving around at high speed.

clearly the solution is to push every accident victim and their vehicle to the bottom of the ocean

xp most RVs use the LiFePo4 formula without cobalt, which is much safer

sounds fun!

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/consumer-reports-shows-tesla-autopilot-works-with-no-one-in-the-drivers-seat/

had to share this, how is this thing legal?

lotta people asking about the loop "how do you get out of the tesla in an emergency when the tunnel is so narrow" without understanding that it's actually impossible to leave the backseat of a tesla in an emergency even on a regular road pic.twitter.com/1kS13oeg1I

— Well There's Your Problem Podcast (@wtyppod) April 20, 2021

The War on Cars podcast did a blow-by-blow breakdown of that terrible gushing news segment on the tunnel. While Twitter might offer better zings, it was still good for a deep dive on exactly how dumb and overhyped this thing is.

He should dig an emergency failsafe tunnel that runs parallel to the first one. And then a third one as well, just to be safe. And then more and more until he's hollowed out the earth and we get a giant one of these:

https://i.gifer.com/Q6ao.gif

dude the earth is already hollow

the earth is thicc

So, yeah, he's hosting SNL.

People on here hate Elon Musk because he has unbundled decarbonization from pious attitudes about decarbonization. https://t.co/fHrmENSHZe

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) April 25, 2021

a tweet that will make you want to throw your device out the window.

musk seems to be a true bipartisan hit. lots of libs that love him because of technocracy and internet-nerd-right think he's epic

People who are mad about Elon Musk hosting SNL need to understand that hosting SNL is *not* an endorsement, for example Adolf Hitler hosted SNL in 1938

— pixelatedboat aka “mr tweets” (@pixelatedboat) April 24, 2021

It is actually not hard to think that the success of Tesla (which has to do with a lot of people not named Elon Musk in addition to Elon Musk) is a very good thing for the environment and the future while also think that Elon Musk, the person himself, seems like a big asshole, I don't see why this is supposed to set up some kind of Captain-Kirk-destroying-the-computer logical doom loop

It is actually not hard to think that the success of Tesla (which has to do with a lot of people not named Elon Musk in addition to Elon Musk) is a very good thing for the environment and the future

it's also not hard to not think this at all