Things you were shockingly old when you learned

JUst reading in one of the appendixes to 1491 that indigenous people in teh Americas use the word Indian. Which I'd been consciously avoiding and using the term Native American for but apparently that term is too exclusive of people from different geographical areas outside of the US apparently.

Would surmise that the term Indian is the term that has been used in English since the people were first encountered, so it works as the cognitive representation of them. Like there is no reference in English prior to them being called that so the reference is as much to these people as long as you omit the word Red which had been a part of it in a derogatory way for way too long. Like.

Mann goes onto saying that the self description for the indigenous groups would have been far more locally based prior to first contact with Europeans,. Would have been likely to be part of the local village and then possibly part of the wider clan/tribal network. But wouldn't have been as part of a wider ethnicity. But then the European equivalent wouldn't have been as fixed at the time of contact though possibly to Christianity which I think was thought by them as being primarily Western European. Though Europe was only a term gaining popularity in the 17th century apparently. Did hear that the idea of Europe asan entity was invented by 8th century Irish monks to allow them some form of unity with those on the distant European mainland which they were heavily marginalised from. Connection to at least. Ireland being a great source of learning at the time and location of some of teh best Understanding of Latin and Greek at the time

20 yrs ago I was working in the cataloguing dept of the British Museum's anthropology collection, whose in-house subject heading list used Indian to denote any indigenous people in North America including "Canadian Indians", "Alaskan Indians" etc. Felt very strange.

The previous two contributions reminded me of something I learned this week. In Florida there is the highway called the Tamiami Trail which crosses the Florida Everglades. I knew Miami was an Indian name, so I assumed Tamiami was another Indian name. And it's pronounced "Tammy-ammy" which sounds plausibly American Indian (same rhythm as Tallahassee, Chattahoochee, etc.).

In fact it's called Tamiami because it connects the cities of Tampa and Miami.

(I only ever took the Tamiami from Miami to Naples and never considered the fact that it continues on up the Gulf Coast from Naples to Tampa).

I got this from a B.S. Johnson novel - a marmite is a earthenware cooking pot. A jar of Marmite has a marmite depicted on the label because it was originally sold in marmites. Also Marmite was invented by a German.

That's brilliant, never knew that!

definitely going to start pronouncing it in the French manner from now on

And here I thought it was invented by marmots

The Jackson 5
The Jackson 5ive

But not
The Jackson Five

Working in THE Coal Mine

The Jackson 5
The Jackson 5ive

But not
The Jackson Five

the voice of Rock-a-Doodle was Glen Campbell.

what's Rock-a-Doodle?

I had same question

Looked it up

I don't know the voice acting cast for Don Bluth's Mrs Frisby and the Rats Of N.I.M.H. either, the only one of his films I've seen, if anyone wants to shock me while I'm old

Don’t know if it’s an esoteric fact or a TIWSOWIL but I saw a Ken Burns documentary on Jackie Robinson last night and learned that he and his family lived with Carly Simon and her family, when she was a kid.

xpost All I know is the crow is Dom DeLuise and a young Shannen Doherty is one of the kids, and also that the actress who voiced Mrs. Frisby Brisby committed suicide just a few years later. :(

I have apparently just realised that I never saw the adaptation either

Wil Wheaton and Peter Strauss!

Talking of Carly Simon, did everyone know that her dad was Simon of Simon & Schuster, because I just learned that yesterday.

Now that you remind me, I knew that but had forgotten.

I knew because I read her bio in Girls Like Us, which also has bios of Carole King and Joni Mitchell.

Carly Simon had already lived a fascinating life before she started to have hit records.

That Carole King bio is really good, lots of interesting stuff about her and others as well

For instance, it has a version of the Bobby Darin/Don Kirshner meet cute that I never heard before.

Re Secret of NIMH:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sullivanbluth/images/6/6e/3885810673_f5a9bf221e_o.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/720?cb=20140602002023

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/40/46/1146064928-l.jpg

Shit, that didn't work.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sullivanbluth/images/6/6e/3885810673_f5a9bf221e_o.png/revision/latest?cb=20140602002023

Ah, fuck it - it's Jenner.

You can only use img tags around web links to image files.

Pete Puma was voiced by Stan Freberg.

i didn't know anyone remembered pete puma besides me. "whole lotta lumps." that pete puma?

*searches*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKyhTX9LQEA

Yup. Apparently he was in one other cartoon back then, but he was so popular that he was revived upon occasion, at first voiced again by Stan Freberg, and then later by others.

He sounds kinda like Tommy Chong

Heh

Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from ST:TNG) is the grand-daughter of Bing Crosby.

ha, never knew

I mentioned this in the DS9 thread a while back when I realized, but in similar Trek relation revelations: Alexander Siddig/Siddig El Fadil is Malcolm McDowell's nephew. Once you see it...

Star Trek: The Next Relation Revelation

I only just recently learned that the Marx Brothers were actually really all brothers.

you'll never guess which one they decided to make the straight guy romantic lead

https://i.postimg.cc/QtfCSBSC/tumblr-lss0jr6-Pc41r1x0ppo1-1280.webp

I only just recently learned that the Marx Brothers were actually really all brothers.

Wow, they look so much alike though! I mean, their most famous routine (probably) was literally built around their resemblance to each other.

Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar from ST:TNG) is the grand-daughter of Bing Crosby.

I always thought she was his daughter.

supposedly Brett Marx, who played Jimmy Feldman in Bad News Bears, and looks a ton like Harpo, is actually the grandson of Gummo Marx, and great nephew of the other Marx brothers.

Tickled by the fact that, for his entire life in the US, their dad was known as Frenchie because he'd been born in Alsace.

my grandma was known as Sicilyie

They might look similar, but they did such a good job distinguishing their characters. Like, check this out:

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Would you assume these four were brothers if they did not bill themselves as such? Dunno. Clearly I wouldn't have!

Good catch!

"Yes" is by Merry Clayton, not the Pointer Sisters.

I was watching the Muppet Show the other day and noticed the (Muppet) musicians were all left handed! So I looked it up and indeed:

The Muppets appear to be left-handed because the people who operate them use their right hands for the most important work. The right hand operates the head and mouth while the left hand holds rods attached to the arms. (The rods are always painted the same color as the background scenery, disguising them somewhat.) AIthough the puppeteers are ambidextrous, they appear to favor the left hands of their puppets because their own left hands manipulate them. Some of the puppets have hands that grasp. Here, two puppeteers are involved: one to work the mouth and the left arm, the other to work the right arm. The puppeteers, of course, stand below the puppets to operate them, and watch themselves on television monitors which show their movements reversed, right to left. It sounds complicated, and it is.

Would you assume these four were brothers if they did not bill themselves as such? Dunno. Clearly I wouldn't have!

I'm sure I've said it before but Zeppo is the spit of my cousin, Jim. Not that Jim looks like that now.