Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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they;re v quiet on the old observer today, but that whole editorial is an amazing exercise in putting your fingers in your ears

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 May 2021 07:11 (two years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/09/the-observer-view-on-labour-performance-in-the-elections-keir-starmer

There was no position on Brexit that would have avoided losing the party votes.

The Guardian / Observer / John Harris position of attacking JC for Labour failure, till someone else is Labour leader, then blaming long-term trends beyond the leader's control.

Meanwhile:

Internally, in the name of party unity, he has shied away from addressing hard truths with his membership about the need to speak from beyond the activist comfort zone.

These people have not noticed that he has deliberately atttacked and alienated most of his activists, and as a result of his actions there is no-one left to knock on doors, or even send the party a fiver a month.

the pinefox, Sunday, 9 May 2021 07:13 (two years ago) link

they have noticed, they just want him to do more!

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 May 2021 07:18 (two years ago) link

What activists?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:42 (two years ago) link

Rawnsley has been well paid to know about these things for over 30 years

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/09/keir-srarmer-act-urgently-rescue-labour-from-plight

Thus, unlike most of us, does not notice that KS's Labour, rather than 'slowly bouncing back', has performed worse than JC's, nor that socialists have locally outperformed KS's Labour.

the pinefox, Sunday, 9 May 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link

i think if you consider that rawnsley etc are not really being paid to do analysis but to craft a narrative you can read these columnists with different expectations

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link

lol at them getting his name wrong in url

koogs, Sunday, 9 May 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link

They just got it wrong in the wrong way!

the pinefox, Monday, 10 May 2021 08:30 (two years ago) link

This adaptation was sadly so bad that I had to turn off after 20 minutes.

Lucy Mangan gives it 5/5.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/may/09/the-pursuit-of-love-review-absolutely-glorious

the pinefox, Monday, 10 May 2021 08:35 (two years ago) link

"comments (666)"

calzino, Monday, 10 May 2021 08:45 (two years ago) link

lol i read the first para of Lucy Mangan's review and thought 'no, this will be bad'. glad the pinefox has gone there so others don't need to.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 07:17 (two years ago) link

Or maybe, just maybe, Lucy Mangan is right and the pinefox is wrong? Heresy on this thread, I realize.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 07:20 (two years ago) link

If we're gonna be spoilsports I'll go straight to the part where art is subjective and thus neither the pinefox nor Lucy Mangan can be "right".

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 09:33 (two years ago) link

Lucy Mangan has never been right about anything in her life

Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 09:34 (two years ago) link

In my experience there are very few exceptions where Graun critics give stuff 5 stars and it is any fucking cop at all. For me maybe some of the Classical music reviews have been spot on occasionally. See also Peter Badshaw, a film critic who is only slightly better than Commode and occasionally gets the gush over Nolan and other such waste.

calzino, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 09:49 (two years ago) link

This opening in today's @MarinaHyde piece about David Cameron has one of the best end-of-paragraph pay-offs I can remember reading. I've not even read the rest of the article yet, I just wanted to share the joy. pic.twitter.com/yZeTqYlVs2

— Peter Walker (@peterwalker99) May 14, 2021

the pinefox, Friday, 14 May 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link

Cmon man, that’s a pretty good joke from 10 years ago

Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Friday, 14 May 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link

a lame autocorrect joke is a great pay-off? it feels more hitting the bottom of the humour overdraft.

calzino, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link

so desperate to get in there first, he posted it before even finishing it off... reading the Hyde column that is.

calzino, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link

is david cameron a standup guy? he's certainly a complete comedian

give me her job

mark s, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

sorry Mark but that was very sharp but lacking the thermonuclear brilliance you feel when you've followed Hyde since 2009 and the memory of her comedically using rhymezone to such devastating effect for years has a cumulative hilarity to it.

calzino, Friday, 14 May 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link

you also have to do the thing where you say 'when i was at school we used to say...' (even better if you can make it like oh idk something famous from a tv show nobody watches anymore like friends) or some other fatuous setup at the ouset so that you can use an irrelevant pun/metaphor throughout the article. Something about how Cameron, having been shown up, is all skirt and no knickers (as we used to say at school). Commando Cameron if you will. (blah blah blah some stuff about how he hit up all the other little men in his platoon texting them for favours "I'll be there for you, cos your there for me too" - Not this time dave)

plax (ico), Friday, 14 May 2021 23:01 (two years ago) link

That's a good analysis.

Mark S joke quite good too.

the pinefox, Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:02 (two years ago) link

"The government seems to be following the lead of the late, lamented Dr Frasier Crane (don't write in about Kelsey Grammer, kids), and wishing the population of Britain 'Good Mental Health'. I suppose after everything else they've tried over the last year, it's worth a go."

the pinefox, Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:04 (two years ago) link

amazing number of 'don't think they'd take too kindly to you disparaging Shrek in the RED WALL' type responses to this

Shrek at 20: an unfunny and overrated low for blockbuster animation https://t.co/VgqMqEXbu8

— The Guardian (@guardian) May 18, 2021

soref, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 09:32 (two years ago) link

This is what happens when a whole section of your newspaper is sponsored by Bill Gates. pic.twitter.com/lt1pAPYjm0

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) May 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 10:58 (two years ago) link

I was going to say that one's old and I'm sure we've covered it before, but it's only from the end of last year so not that old.

emil.y, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link

Only saw it today but yes now come to think of it this topic has been covered.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link

I could have sworn there was another pro child labour advert in the Graun a couple of years back (definitely before 2020) as well, or maybe they just keep running the same one.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 13:58 (two years ago) link

Chiles labour

nashwan, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link

he's bad again now, lock that thread!

calzino, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link

nobody can touch chiles right now. he's been in a league of his own for several years, but he keeps pushing the ceiling upwards. a generational talent pic.twitter.com/KJDVL1Wp3E

— Stan Cross (@tristandross) May 26, 2021

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 27 May 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link

I admit I love to hate read Mariella Frostrup's advice column, but this week's problem is a classic in unthinking privilege.

In summary:

The problem

I have reached the point where it all feels hopeless and I want to explore ways of feeling happier single, to quell this desire to find a mate. My daughter is the most wonderful thing to have happened to me but, growing up, it was a relationship I thought about and desired more than motherhood. I’d like to want that less, to spend less time thinking about it, to be happier with my lot and accept that I may live out my days single.

Is it possible to achieve something like this? To dial down my desire to find a partner and find a better life as a result?

The response:

In my 39th year, having failed to find a father for my hoped-for children, I decided to take advantage of what I did have, which was independence and solvency. For 12 months I forgot entirely about dating and instead sought stimulation elsewhere, a sabbatical in Brazil, an acting stint in The Vagina Monologues and a trek in Nepal. It was in those foothills that I met the man with whom I now have two kids. I am grateful to this day for my decision to stop seeking more and enjoy what I had. By default, it brought me everything I had secretly hoped for. Thanks for reminding me! And I hope that you find similar satisfaction.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 30 May 2021 08:45 (two years ago) link

lol is that trolling? omg

plax (ico), Sunday, 30 May 2021 12:42 (two years ago) link

Really playing all the hits there!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 30 May 2021 13:34 (two years ago) link

Dear peasant,

Have you considered being #blessed? Don’t answer that I don’t give a fuck. Kisses, Marionella

Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Sunday, 30 May 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link

"Thanks for reminding me!"

no need, the pleasure is all mine

calzino, Sunday, 30 May 2021 13:49 (two years ago) link

Wow! It's like Marge's dream come true- for me! Isn't that great, Marge? For me.

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 May 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link

that goes against all of Daniel Johnston's advice on finding true love. i don't know who to believe.

koogs, Monday, 31 May 2021 02:40 (two years ago) link

Just went for a swim in a river. What happens now? Do the Guardian contact me directly to write an article?

— Olly Barratt (@ollybarratt) May 31, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 10:38 (two years ago) link

doesn't he require a reference to a spare flat in London and a pic looking smug as fuck in a huge designer kitchen as well?

calzino, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link

Guardian shilling for office landlords *again* today pic.twitter.com/ZAJ3ZEdWRi

— Horse (@bojack90s) June 3, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 4 June 2021 09:21 (two years ago) link

I LITERALLY quit my job at The Guardian because of rampant transphobia.

I loved that job, the digital team were absolutely amazing but I had to leave 😭 https://t.co/uzaLbEA4UH

— Jessica (@bananapixelsuk) June 6, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 6 June 2021 12:17 (two years ago) link

It's Mariella Frostrup's last column for The Observer this week.

mike t-diva, Sunday, 6 June 2021 12:30 (two years ago) link

Another trek in the foothills of Nepal coming up?

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 June 2021 12:32 (two years ago) link

Didn’t see a reference to last column in the Observer - but I guess she’s busy with her newish Times radio job.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 6 June 2021 12:39 (two years ago) link

the story xyz linked to is also the subject of a particularly foul comment piece by sonia sodha

plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2021 13:43 (two years ago) link

which i will not be linking to. i should learn my lesson to stop clicking guardian links on a sunday.

plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link

idgaf btw if matthew parris 'one of the founders of stonewall' thinks supporting trans rights is 'extremist.' despite taking their name from a historical event led by trans women, stonewall has a long shameful history of refusing to represent trans people. anyway fuck the nasty vindictive press of this country

plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link

if these people gave a shit about women's shelters they would be angry about austerity but they don't and its so fucking obvious and its infuriating.

plax (ico), Sunday, 6 June 2021 13:50 (two years ago) link


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