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The situation in India remains horrific but one very small bright spot:

One piece of positive news speaking to leaders of 2 large hospitals in India where most healthcare workers were fully vaccinated: No serious COVID cases among any of the vaccinated healthcare workers during this current crisis. The vaccines are working.

— Vincent Rajkumar (@VincentRK) May 10, 2021

Scamp Granada (gyac), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 11:37 (two years ago) link

Haven't seen a lot as to whether that Indian variant evades vaccines or not so this could be a good sign.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 11:39 (two years ago) link

I read up about it a little and apparently vaccines are still largely effective, which is what that thread seems to imply? At least Pfizer is but if they’re using AZ in India widely on exposed healthcare workers then you could probably consider the above evidence too

Scamp Granada (gyac), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 11:46 (two years ago) link

yes, BioNtech(Pfizer)'s news release yesterday: no need for modifications (for now) to their current vaccine re: variants

https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-announces-first-quarter-2021-financial-results-and

StanM, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link

Just scheduled shots for my two 14-year-olds for tomorrow!

DJI, Thursday, 13 May 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link

Wooo!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 May 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link

13 yo scheduled in a week

cardio free europe (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 May 2021 03:07 (two years ago) link

yes!!!

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 May 2021 03:10 (two years ago) link

Very few people wearing masks outdoors today. I'm sure not all these people are fully vaccinated, but I guess once the public stigma is removed, its not surprising that people would stop.

o. nate, Saturday, 15 May 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link

this article seems to suggest that outdoors is actually pretty darn safe: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.html

colette, Sunday, 16 May 2021 08:14 (two years ago) link

I guess there's nothing to really discuss on a message board about this, but it is disgusting that the US may be vaccinating 2 year olds as soon as September while a plurality of countries have literally zero vaccines.

rob, Sunday, 16 May 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link

Capitalism always produces an efficient distribution of resources

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 16 May 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link

Man totally. I think about this when it comes up here in the uk about doing “surge vaccination” where you redirect supply to all ages in covid hotspots to attempt to control the “India variant” & it’s like why not apply that logic to redirect supply to... India

Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Sunday, 16 May 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link

Yeah I led with the US because they have a massive stockpile of AZ vaccines they have no intention of ever using on their own populace; also they announced in April they were donating 60m of them but I only just learned that nothing has actually happened yet. That said, we're aiming to start doing 12+ in Quebec in June, and primary and secondary schools were never closed here (except when outbreaks occurred at individual schools triggering brief closures). Meanwhile Haiti has zero

rob, Sunday, 16 May 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link

NZ using Covid-19 for sweeping reset of immigration to sharply cut temporary migrants and pivot to wealthy, highly skilled workers.
Labour calls on business to hire local, says migrants have depressed wages, pushed up housing prices.https://t.co/sDd8mVaH7R

— Justin Giovannetti (@justinCgio) May 17, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link

Re: the AZ and the US, last I saw

there are 10 million doses awaiting FDA approval, and up to another 50 million doses will later be evaluated and donated, likely in late May or June. The second batch of donations is in various stages of production.
. That was from an article from a couple of weeks ago. I *think* the US has already sent shipments to Mexico and Canada, but it's a little unclear. Otherwise, sounds like any apparent delay is mostly dealing with red tape, but dunno.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 12:51 (two years ago) link

Who Vaccinates the World?
via @WSJ pic.twitter.com/txiYls0qoS

— Oliver Stuenkel 🇧🇷 (@OliverStuenkel) May 18, 2021

rob, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link

I believe the tiny sliver of yellow on that graph is the 4 million AZ doses the US sent to Mexico and Canada

rob, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 13:00 (two years ago) link

article is filled with a lot of excuse-making that I'm not sure I buy, but some of the red tape described here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-15/when-will-u-s-send-vaccines-to-india-it-may-not-have-the-doses

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link

In the United States, there is now an excellent chance that the retreat is permanent. Victory over Covid has not yet arrived, but it is growing close. After almost a year and a half of sickness, death, grieving and isolation, the progress is cause for genuine joy.

More than 60 percent of American adults have received at least one vaccine shot, and the share is growing by about two percentage points per week. Among unvaccinated people, a substantial number have already had Covid and therefore have some natural immunity. “The virus is running out of places to be communicable,” Andy Slavitt, one of President Biden’s top Covid advisers, told me.

The share of Covid tests coming back positive has fallen below 3 percent for the first time since widespread testing began, and the number of hospitalized patients has fallen to the lowest point in 11 months, Dr. Eric Topol of the Scripps Research Translational Institute noted. For the first time since March 5 of last year, San Francisco General Hospital yesterday had no Covid patients — “a truly momentous day,” Dr. Vivek Jain said.

There are still important caveats. Covid remains especially dangerous in communities with low vaccination rates, as Slavitt noted, including much of the Southeast; these communities may suffer through future outbreaks. And about 600 Americans continue to die from the disease every day.

But the sharp decline in cases over the past month virtually guarantees that deaths will fall over the next month. The pandemic appears to be in an exponential-decay phase, as this helpful Times essay by Zoë McLaren explains. “Every case of Covid-19 that is prevented cuts off transmission chains, which prevents many more cases down the line,” she writes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/21/briefing/covid-19-us-pandemic-vaccinations.html

Karl Malone, Saturday, 22 May 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link

Only one day of 30k+ cases last week. Was shocked.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 May 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

Florida numbers still frustrate me despite the decided downward trend for positivity rates.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 May 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link

DeSantis basically rolling off restrictions as far back as last September and publicly undermining them definitely didn't help

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 May 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link

and there it is, DeSantis is ending the enhanced Federal unemployment on June 27th, the motherfucking asshole. PUA, which my mother is getting, is staying in place, but this is gonna fuck so many friends of mine.

Conservatism is a fucking cancer.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link

fwiw there's actually kind of a labor shortage here, restaurants and factories are offering pretty big bonuses right now cuz they literally can't find workers. not saying the unemployment benefits have anything to do with this (unemployment in general is still fairly low isn't it?) but conservative media has definitely been successful convincing others that is the problem

frogbs, Monday, 24 May 2021 14:26 (two years ago) link

The pandemic exposed the gruesomeness of restaurant employment.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link

here too, but I think abused service industry folk have had enough and are trying to find new careers - I have a lot of friends who have frequently told me how terrible Disney is as an employer (Universal is better but even there, I've heard things). I know when I waited tables, I got used to being screamed at on a daily basis and I couldn't take it anymore. conservatives have definitely succeeded with that messaging, and they're fucking assholes.

my mother for instance hasn't gone back to work cos it's hard for me to watch Dad and work at the same time and she can't see well at night. but we're working out options right now, maybe Instacart-y type stuff.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link

basically if you work in the average shitty restaurant, you'll probably be sexually harassed if you're a female by managers and co-workers, your job security is threatened on a daily basis, you get screamed at by co-workers and customers alike, asked to work back-breaking double shifts, and go home with sore-assed feet and limbs.

there are many good restaurants where people can make a good living and avoid that, but there's a glut of really shitty ones like the ones I describe that many friends and acquaintances of mine have worked at, and some of them are thinking "why am I doing this to myself"?

I got out after my last restaurant laid me off in 2003 for the reasons above.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 May 2021 14:36 (two years ago) link

My greatest hope in life is to be able to stop working for the rest of it

Karl Malone, Monday, 24 May 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link

seriously. I have dreams of like being a roadie who doesn't do anything but acquire beer for the band for some death metal band

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link

You see the exact same working conditions at nursing homes, which is why I never worked for one in my 20 years as a CNA.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 24 May 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

as far as i know, every job where you work with more than 5 people and you have a boss is the worst, particularly if the end goal of the enterprise is to just to make someone else money

Karl Malone, Monday, 24 May 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link

as far as i know, every job where you work with more than 5 people and you have a boss is the worst

balsamic panic (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 24 May 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link

the dream job is when everyone understands that the vast majority of work is essentially meaningless, but everyone understands that in a really positive and utopian way rather than an excuse to trash the joint

Karl Malone, Monday, 24 May 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link

a nation of Bartleby's

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 24 May 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link

Lots of jobs where you work with fewer than 5 people and have a boss are hobbies for Large Adult Sons and Daughters and are shit, also.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 24 May 2021 17:09 (two years ago) link

yeah not to get too dystopian but my experiences with the mythologized 'small businesses' were definitely as bad if not worse than my times at big organizations. they're just as corrupt and awful.

Nhex, Monday, 24 May 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link

15 or so months into a pandemic this seems kind of incredible, even for this utter shit show of a government. Update the guidance for areas hardest hit by the Indian variant but don't actually bother telling anyone about it other than changing your website

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57232728

groovypanda, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 05:55 (two years ago) link

yeah i was a bit wtf when i woke up this morning reading this.

I think my mind is now is a position of just accepting and having to deal with all this unsettling for another couple of years, perhaps a lot longer who knows. I'm not even sure I can get my head around returning to pubs and spending £££ each week on beer.

Diggin Holes (Ste), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 13:14 (two years ago) link

https://lessonsfromthecrisis.substack.com/p/what-on-earth-happened-with-covid

Good substack looking at the pandemic and how plenty of scientific consensus in the West was anti-mask

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link

Zeynep Tufekci wrote a piece in the New York Times questioning the existing consensus and pointing out the obvious: of course masks work

this was the article I read last year that made me consider buying one for the first time.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 21:33 (two years ago) link

and then suddenly, patriots across the country all felt a similar thought - "i betcha they don't!"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link

still feel like we missed a golden opportunity there to gather up all the most respected high-profile doctors and left wing politicians on one big stage to state emphatically that rat poison is bad, rat poison will kill you, do not under any circumstances ingest rat poison, please for the sake of everyone who loves you never ever ever take rat poison.

cat, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link

i am kind of an asshole.

cat, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link

fwiw i literally take rat poison (warfarin) to keep me alive, so

Clay, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link

that is an awesome flex, something to casually mention anytime you're conversing with a rodent

cat, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 00:48 (two years ago) link

FWIW, I definitely think masks work, but I don't think cloth masks on kids does much of anything and I think it's time to end that.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 01:09 (two years ago) link

E.g. here:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.19.21257467v1

No correlation between COVID spread and school mask mandates

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link

And just as it makes sense to me that masks work (when of proper material and properly fitted), it completely makes sense to me why they don't make much difference with respect to kids who (1) have trouble wearing them properly, as I have observed, and (2) don't spread COVID as efficiently anyway.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 01:11 (two years ago) link


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