'LEF-tenant' is virtually unheard of in Montreal. Yet another way in which our English is more Americanized than that of other Canadians, I suppose.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 13 May 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
wouldn't it be more because pronouncing lieutenant as "lef-tenant" is super bizarre if you know nearly any French?
― rob, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
Hah, that too, probably.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
I'm new enough to Canada to not be sure if Halfway is messing with me or not
Weirdly enough, the lef-/leuf- comes from old French, if I'm not mistaken.
― Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
Fwiw I tend to say 'pro-cess' instead of 'prawcess'. And 'dah-ta' instead of 'day-ta'.
xp a lieutenant is literally a place (lieu) holder (tenant). In Old French lieu was leu, which I don't think was pronounced 'lef', but I'm not a medievalist, so don't quote me on that.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
l'ouef tennant
― building a hole (NickB), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
Je suis l'œuf tenantJe suis le morse
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link
:D
― pomenitul, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link
There's a bit about it in this lef:
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/lieutenant
Except the 'f' was 'v' in old French and the British interpreted it as an 'f'
― Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link
'It is difficult to explain where the f in the British pronunciation comes from.'
Indeed.
'Probably, at some point before the 19th century, the u at the end of Old French lieu was read and pronounced as a v, and the v later became an f.'
By the British, though, right?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link
Sometimes I say "PROAK-ess", though, when amongst new Canadians, to make them feel at home.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:28 (two years ago) link
Leff-tenant is just the British upper classes pronouncing things like fools to distinguish themselves from the lower orders, I'm sure there are other examples but they're not springing immediately to mind.
― did you hear about the midnight ambler gambler? (Matt #2), Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link
Would Marquis be an example of this? Pronounced Mar-kwiss rather than the more common (in my experience) Mar-kee
― badg, Thursday, 13 May 2021 21:36 (two years ago) link
my sense of the british is they hate trying to pronounce loanwords correctly, cf. garridge, Quick-sote, Mar-kwiss, tay-co
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:27 (two years ago) link
We don't say tay-co!It's TES-co.
― kinder, Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:29 (two years ago) link
Pronouncing Powell as Po-ell is another example. Yes, I think there are quite a few of these.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:49 (two years ago) link
Though it's mostly names, I think.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link
Nobody says tay-co and Quick-sote sounds like another upper class affectation.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 May 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link
― kinder
lolled so hard at this, thank you kinder
― emil.y, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link
lol but also my northern mom says tack-o and past-uh, which did drive me nuts as a kid but I’m grateful she said bath not bah-th
― rob, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:35 (two years ago) link
― pomenitul, Thursday, May 13, 2021 2:21 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
By the French:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant#Pronunciation
― Punster McPunisher, Thursday, 13 May 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
Hoisin translates directly as seafood sauce.I could swear I read something saying that it was teh name of an admiral who discovered what is now America from the West via the pacific.Is there a sci fi or alternative, What if history that uses that as part of its story.LIke presumably knowing that they had called their character Admiral seafood as an ironic joke?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 15 May 2021 09:24 (two years ago) link
> my sense of the british is they hate trying to pronounce loanwords correctly, cf. garridge, Quick-sote, Mar-kwiss, tay-co
Some egregious US examples of this too, such as “clique” and “niche”.
― The Glass Key, Saturday, 15 May 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link
Route pronounced as rout, maybe this is regional though
― remind me not to read the comments on that one (Matt #2), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:03 (two years ago) link
Kway
― Stevolende, Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:04 (two years ago) link
route/rout is regional in the us. my sense is that rout is less common, but i could be wrong
how many times has this thread devolved to pronunciation differences?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:11 (two years ago) link
Pro-nounce-iationPro-nunts-iation
― remind me not to read the comments on that one (Matt #2), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link
even star trekkers can’t agree how to pronounce ‘sensors’ or ‘species’; no wonder we have problems too
― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:16 (two years ago) link
yeah, i find it interesting, but there really should be another thread for this
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:17 (two years ago) link
> my sense of the british is they hate trying to pronounce loanwords correctly, cf. garridge, Quick-sote, Mar-kwiss, tay-coSome egregious US examples of this too, such as “clique” and “niche”.
― Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:18 (two years ago) link
fillit of fish
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:23 (two years ago) link
Well, it is fillet and not filet surely? I'm assuming Americans pronounce those two words differently too?
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:26 (two years ago) link
well you know that gap in yer gut, a fillay doesn't fillit
― Stevolende, Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:27 (two years ago) link
The joke about the fishmonger's daughter just doesn't work otherwise.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:29 (two years ago) link
as far as I'm aware Americans just have "filet" and find our "fillet" coarse and ugly, may be wrong though.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:34 (two years ago) link
The word 'fillet' is used in other contexts, I wonder if they still use the French pronunciation then, I suspect not.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:38 (two years ago) link
that when americans say entrée they mean the main course wtf
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 15 May 2021 10:46 (two years ago) link
Quick-soteEe-da-pus
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 May 2021 11:32 (two years ago) link
my sense of the british is they hate trying to pronounce loanwords
My anecdotal experience listening to the BBC on NPR some mornings is they they're more often than they should be egregiously bad with all sorts of non-English words and names, including proper names (like iirc pronouncing Jose as JOE-SAY), but it's gotten a bit better on that front. A few days ago, though, I heard the newscaster mispronounce Barack Obama's name, and I thought, come on, really? (BAY-RACK, is how they said it.)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 May 2021 12:02 (two years ago) link
The best known Jose in the UK is Jose Mourinho and he’s a Joe-say aiui (Portuguese, innit).
― Tim, Saturday, 15 May 2021 13:43 (two years ago) link
Which is not to say British people are not horrible at pronunciation non-English words, we surely are. Never heard a Bay-rack, mind.
― Tim, Saturday, 15 May 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
it’s cause he’s all washed up
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 15 May 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link
no American or English person has the upper hand in this discussion
― rob, Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link
Buoy is the funniest
― kinder, Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link
lol yeah. I don’t think I’ve ever heard an American say buoyant/buoyancy, presumably they say boo-ee-ant(rob otm obv)
― Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link
Buoyant is pronounced "boy-ant" and buoy is pronounced "boo-ey." Simple and straightforward.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:28 (two years ago) link
lmao classic (buoyed is pronounced the wacky way tho right? I’m sure I have heard that)
― Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
Zho-zay
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
That is almost certainly what JiC heard yeah
― Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Saturday, 15 May 2021 14:34 (two years ago) link