My description of the Hold Steady show I caught last week is at indierock is shithot right now!. They roxor the big one, without doubt, can't wait to see/hear more.
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
That said, I don't listen to any of it much cos their production was always so anemic. I mean, this band was a ROAR, and it's just not there on record.
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Adam A. (Keiko), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like how the release of Soft Rock acts like a Director's Cut of Fiestas & Fiascos. Also, F&F comes close to that ROAR misterhungry refers to (though I haven't seen the self-flaggelation up close & personal).
I never really thought of AoL in connection w/ LFTR PLLR, but that's why you folks make the big bucks. For what it's worth, I still can't really hear the Neil Diamond thing in Crooked Fingers, either.
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
Crooked Fingers are okeydoke, if rather repetitive, and I'd probably take the first two Crooked Fingers albums over White Trash Heroes. It's a shame that live album was so turgid. Otherwise it would have made a nice sampler.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/02/critic.php?criticid=132
I don't remember liking Archers of Loaf much way back when, but maybe I was wrong about them. First people Lifter Puller reminded me of were Girls Against Boys (who I now think they're way better than), then the Fall. Then Kogan and Xgau independently mentioned the first couple Springsteen albums. And other people said Pavement, which never made any sense to me, but then again I've never understood people who think Pavement sounded like the Fall, either. Anyway. My favorite surrogate Lifter Pullers right now are Holy Ghost, from Brooklyn, who have two albums out that everybody else has ignored.
― chuck, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Now he DJs in SF and uses the same name. So those of you there, go there and rock on with a cock on.
― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 02:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
The blatant Pavement / Fall connection, to me, boils down to "Two States". Anything else is uncivilized.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 02:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh! I met that guy at the NYC show! Well, really it was more like "holy shit... your fingers... Uh, cool."
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 04:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
Somebody I know asked him what to get tattooed on his own set of knuckles and he said "DIET COKE".
― mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 05:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 07:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― adam (adam), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh -- hi. I'm Stephanie and I run the Hold Steady website (per Craig, of course). Not that it'll be any help to the faithful few among you in desperate need of a fix, but the ETA for a couple mp3s off the six-song recording is probably mid-April? Possibly sooner.
I digress; just wanted to kick in my two cents and add another bit of glowing appreciation for the glory that is/was LP.
― stephanie m., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
www.citypages.com/databank/20/988/article8166.asp
One of the few times that hanging out with musicians was actually as interesting as listening to their records. I like their recordings fine, but their live show really makes me wish that adjs like explosive, blistering, fierce weren't rockcrit cliches.
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
1. Opening band was the Monarques, led by Nathan Grumdahl, ex of Selby Tigers; strong, confident, well written songs, sort of...don't wanna say "arty" but something tells me Ned would love them--they have some kind of British thing going on that's hard for me to put my finger on at the moment. Sorta majestic w/o the preening feel that adjective usually conjures. Songs felt really composed--as in parts that felt distinct from each other but worked as a whole. 2. Ladies and gentlemen, the Mountain Goats. J0hn got up and played relatively few obvious crowdpleasers and a lot of semi-obscurities (including his cover of Steely Dan's "F.M.," which Nate Patrin recognized). He's amazing live, which a lot of you know already, and was super pumped to be opening for LP, and said so frequently. 3. On the last two songs ("See America Right" and "The Best Death Metal Band in Denton") J0hn was accompanied by the multitalented Tad Kubler--LP bassist, lead guitarist for the Hold Steady--on drums. 4. Got to meet J0hn for the first time. He even said it was OK that I called him a terrorist on national television. What a nice guy.5. Not a second after being announced by a couple of college radio DJs or club employees (not sure which), LP fucking tore into "To Live and Die in LBI," Craig and Tad and Steve jumping like fucking crazy and the crowd going nuts. They KILLED from top to bottom, the crowd screamed the lyrics back at them; Craig in particular was extremely energized, even more so than usual (having seen the Hold Steady several times now it's not like he's exactly been lazing off in the stage movement department), and um holy fuck6. he had a big mosh pit going, which included at the periphery me, Nate P and J0hn D. So I got to fucking slam dance w/a Mountain Goat. ILx heaven, kids.7. The new venue that the Triple Rock Social Club opened up (the LP shows are its inaugural events) is beautiful--nice stage, terrific PA, excellent sightlines, comfortable, attractive wood and metal walls, holds about 600. I dare say it's the nicest rock venue in Minneapolis--a town that could use a really nice rock venue.
I'm beat. More tomorrow. And again, WOW.
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 7 June 2003 07:01 (twenty years ago) link
― scott m (mcd), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link
Oh and a couple other things: The Hold Steady are at Pianos in nyc on July 10th.
IMHO the Archers comparison is unfair as Archers were a fairly standard, if decent, '90s indie rock band, whereas LP has more substance, more springsteen, great lyrics, more Dinosaur Jr. references, are more danceable, and have a conviction and charisma that Archers lacked. And I love Vee Vee, I really do.
― scott m (mcd), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:50 (twenty years ago) link
― scott m (mcd), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link
And then there's the Joe Strummer quote, "It's Lifter Puller's world, we just live in it."
― scott m (mcd), Saturday, 28 June 2003 01:02 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 28 June 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:01 (twenty years ago) link
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― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:05 (twenty years ago) link
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― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:16 (twenty years ago) link
the idea that lp "romanticize" anything is completely fucking laughable unless you have a kneejerk response to anything involving "rock lifestyle" lyrics. it's pretty obvious that craig finn is singing in character, about several characters; he's telling stories inna hard-boiled-novelist stylee about (in lp songs) a seedy underbelly underworld w/recurring characters/situations/settings. lots of very deliberate grotesquerie, and the hyperreality appeals (to me, to j0hn, to others) for its detail, its hyperactivity, its playfulness, its style. also, the band fucking rocks.
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link
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― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Plus I am SO not a Catholic.
― 'Twan (miccio), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― disco violence (disco violence), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 08:52 (eighteen years ago) link
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― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Thursday, 8 December 2005 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Then again, I'm a Minneapolitan who moved to New York, so etc. etc...
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link
If I see him around, I'll ask him why he hasn't yet taken advantage of the many possibilities "Eden Prairie" provides.
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost: pretty sure it sucks.
― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
(Uptown? always assumed) Rainbow FoodsNankin (RIP)Penetration (Loring) Parkthe corner of 15th and FranklinPayne AvenueYukon Club
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Railroad Bridge - the one between 26th and 27th streets? teen ne'er-do-wells park their bikes in the trees and drink on the shore or on the bridge.
Edina -- in "Hornets! Hornets!"we were livin up at nicollet and 66th. with 3 skaters and some hoodrat chick. drove the wrong way down 169. almost died up by edina high.
The City Center ref in Hoodrat Friend always cracks me up.
And, of course, Lake Street is for Lovers.
There ought to be one of those google map hacks with little flags on all the places.
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link
(shudder)
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
I think I have all this stuff (the odds and ends collection is all on Soft Rock, it looks like). But still - nice. Also I guess Soft Rock is outta print or something.
http://pitchfork.com/news/37089-pre-hold-steady-band-lifter-puller-remembered-with-reissue-series-book/
― dmr, Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
digital reissue = laaaaaame
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
tru. I'd buy Half Dead and Dynamite on vinyl. that one's my favorite.
― dmr, Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link
btw it's kinda lame to me that because tad is in hold steady that the original (and best) lifter puller bassist, tommy roach is sort of written out of the band's history....he was an amazing bassist and quit i think to pursue grad school (i had him as a TA at the u of m once)..but anyway he plays in half dead, which remains their best work, and from what i have been told was very instrumental in writing lifter puller songs when he was in the band and sort of helping to define their sound.
― On this date in 2008, Soulja Boy said something (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
don't call her lazy cause she's crazy about the daytime tvchannel 3, look at me, i'm a real whale watcher
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
I think it's Wheel watcher
https://i.imgur.com/IDw9f9s.jpg
― how's life, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
lmao that makes way more sense, i'm submitting the correction to every lyrics website
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
every lyric in "touch my stuff" is gold
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
even though i think fiestas is their masterpiece my fav lifter puller song is "sangre de stephanie," it kinda feels like every thematic touchstone finn explored in both lifter puller and the hold steady ("she crossed herself and it turned me on") appears there
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 27 July 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
I feel really lucky have seen them dozens of times in small clubs in Minneapolis in those days.
This just surfaced, sound is dodgy but this is def the era, Lifter Puller playing the Dillinger Four Midwestern Songs of the America's release show on a boat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFByA1t6KG4&feature=youtu.be
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 August 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
oh shit!
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 3 August 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
I want Night Club Dwight dead in his graveI want the Nice, Nice up in blazes
― cajunsunday, Friday, 3 August 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
I have so much of that album stuck in my head.
it ain't just a money thing it's a question of community, the liberty the ecstasty the love the drugs the unity and the busts they looked just like the hey kool aid commercial, they're breaking down the walls and they're tipping over tables and it tastes great
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 3 August 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
for a little bit Paddy (St. Paddy) of Dillinger Four is standing in front of the camera.
the whole Lifter Puller/D4/Atmosphere mutual appreciation society was really cool back then
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 August 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
legendary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQulI5RcfOs
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
another great find! 00 full set from the weisman art museum at the university of mn campus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJxAyApDYrs&feature=youtu.be
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 September 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
Ooh, nice finds. The Jenny Jones one lead me to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoWgl5XeBws
which in turn led me to this Aussie band's cover of same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPEzGabTpK4
which reminded me of how I came across Lifter-Puller via J0hn D's piece on "Mission Viejo":
http://lastplanetojakarta.com/articles/lift.html
― etc, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 02:26 (five years ago) link