2021 nba offseason draft free agency etc

lonzo ball-marcus smart backcourt would be a rollercoaster

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 9, 2021 4:04 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol yeah hopefully you could find the sweet spot where both of them

can pick their spots cause they are both capable of making plays just not in a high usage way

celtics gave so many minutes this year to guys who just really couldnt do much

i don’t think lonzo is in the 1 year deal stage of his career. someone is gonna give him a 4/80 contract or something

yeah its his first non rookie deal

don't know if it'll be quite that high, probably depends on the market, how many teams have cap space. but whatever the exact number you're probably right and probably not wise for the c's to do that

i think if you could get him for solid starter money ~$15m a/y and move kembas deal thats pretty good

if ball helps bring a championship or even an East Conf championship to Boston, I think he's set with a max deal for four years following and beloved in Boston for the rest of his life.
if he believes he can step it up with the Celts, seems like a wise move to take a risk on a 4m/5m paycut for '22 and let lavar tell everyone how he's a selfless player and incredibly underpaid and then cash in for 23 but i am not an nba player or gm

i do not think hes a max guy a star but i do think he could be a piece a solid guy

the big problem with kemba in boston besides the injuries is hes really a primary scorer who thrives on going full on towards the goal at all times and hes actually not a very good playmaker, but with tatum and brown already in place kemba was having to pick his spots and was just never comfortable and he could never fill that facilitator role which is what they really need

lonzo is not going to create any more half court offense than kemba

ok

celtics have a conventional roster - bigs who do big things, wings who do wing things - so they should probably look for a conventional distributing guard like idk chris paul

do you have any of those

i hear tj mcconnell is a free agent

lol

your welcome

anyway all due respect to the point god but the days of the —conventional distributing guard— are largely behind us, brown and tatum initiate a lot of the offense, getting another star would obvs be great but past that getting guys who can make plays when they need to is good, lonzo is an excellent passer and has made progress as a shooter but is a poor finisher at the rim and a lot of his value is on defense, his profile is actually very similar to smarts, i think if you can add a guy like that its pretty good, then you just got to hope the nets get injured

Lonzo is Ricky Rubio 2.0 but with some hope left that he could improve as a shooter

i think lonzo has more ability to be productive without the ball in his hands and also has more positional flexibility, with rubio its like this guy is your point guard hes going to dribble a lot which is not great since hes a bad scorer

its kind messed up for lonzo that he was such a high draft pick and got so much press, if he were a #10 pick settling into a long career as a solid starter thatd make a lot more sense

lonzo shot ~38% from three this season, on like 9 attempts per game.

yeah he was legitimately scorching the nets for like a month before that late season injury too, im not ready to totally believe it but its pretty cool def

if you get frustrated with kemba always being injured then maybe lonzo isnt the way to go

there is that

i would just like some complementary players who can play defense, doesn't really matter who.

question was not so much how to get lonzo but what other player with an inflated contract do you trade kemba for (and how do you get rid of tristan who admittedly had one good game in the playoffs but was mostly unpleasant to watch) and Adams is who came to mind.

lonzo is not going to create any more half court offense than kemba

― micah, Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:09 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is otm; the hope is that lonzo's strengths play better on a team where the wings can create and he can just be a ball mover

also adams is pretty bad now, probably close to a wash with tristan.

Boston Celtics president Brad Stevens has received team permissions to interview several assistant coaches for his franchise's head coaching job, including the Los Angeles Clippers' Chauncey Billups, sources told ESPN.

Stevens started making calls on Wednesday to get the OK to talk to several candidates, including Billups, Milwaukee Bucks' Darvin Ham and Charles Lee, Dallas' Jamahl Mosley and Brooklyn's Ime Udoka, sources told ESPN.

ime is as nice and sweet and thoughtful an athlete as i've ever spoken to and it would be truly joyous if he got a the big job somewhere

looks like brad is consciously attempting to hire a coach who is… not like brad stevens

they basically have to hire a nonwhite coach, even the local white middle aged radio guys have come to that conclusion

they should hire an italian

if porter doesn’t cut these no-dribble, off-rhythm threes in half next season it’ll be a huge coaching failure

The Athletic’s Shams Charania adds Becky Hammon, Dawn Staley and Brent Barry to a list of candidates for Portland's open coaching gig which already includes Chauncey Billups and Mike D’Antoni.

would be so cool

In February, Luka snapped at Mavs exec Haralabos Voulgaris: "Don’t f—ing tell me to calm down."

It's not the only example of a tense relationship.

Sources say Voulgaris is Dallas' most influential exec. Will he impact Luka's desire to stay long-term?

📚 https://t.co/q7TKUVnHdZ pic.twitter.com/jDEGbq4BCK

— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) June 14, 2021

wild story on the mavs. i will just put it in the C&P thread

bob!

In an ESPN feature from 2013, Voulgaris is quoted as saying, “The whole process (of becoming a highly successful gambler) has led me to believe that I’d be able to put together a better team than almost any general manager in the league. If not maybe all.”

beautiful

Cuban added: “Bob has a great grasp of AI and the opportunities it create for gaining an advantage. Which is important to me. But he isn’t any more influential than any other data source on the team.”

i am savoring this

otm, this is the good stuff

Why is voulgaris talking to luka ever

didnt bob admit that he made most of his money off one simple plus minus hack not off of the analytics that he hired people to produce

dont get me wrong beating the house is very impressive regardless and maybe he did well with the analytics too idk BUT thinking that qualifies you to run a team is pretty funny, and thinking that it makes you automatically in line to be the best gm in the game is some clown shit lol

also i dont think i ever heard him talk about AI on twitter need to know more about what hes gotten up to, cuban is the perfect mark for someone just saying the words artificial intelligence to him

even thought you know you shouldnt it would be just irresistible to pitch AI to him then hire some programmers like please AI basketball now

mavs mustve already had a big data guy

feel like this story is good gossip about ppl disliking haralabob that is straining to be something more. they write that he has “near total control over the roster” but also that donnie nelson “spearheaded” every major move the mavs have made, it doesn’t seem like the writers really understand how much power he has. working with an obscenely rich gambler guy who he thinks he could be better than any GM in the NBA sounds awful tho

this is amazing lol

yeah, much of what made bob entertaining when he would go on pods was his complete confidence in his opinions and complete disdain for anything he thought was dumb. not nearly as fun when you have to work with someone like that.