worst / most washed-up / weakest link band in the HELLA MEGA TOUR (Green Day / Fall Out Boy / Weezer)

and the title track is perfectly ok yes

"Boulevard of Broken Dreams" is definitely fuckin' dire though. and all the other songs they wrote that sound like it.

I just meant I think GD exists more as a classic rock legacy band than a "washed" early 90s band

i feel like maybe Hanoi Rocks used that shit title so i'd like to withdraw my total generalization but ffs

imagining 10 kids in Puma outfits dancing to Click Click Boom and slipping on the wet grass

Probably not that far off. I looked up the venue on Maps, and it's just off the interstate in the rural part of its town (one road in and out), with an outdoor stage and picnic table seating.

i was too much of a fake real punk to give american idiot a chance at the time but it was clearly a massive deal for so many people - billie joe even became kind of a pin-up for a while for girls and boys of a certain age and inclination. it was weird because i thought of them as that old band from the 90s who'd had already had their moment but now they were suddenly huge again, maybe huger. the album has its its charms i suppose but people were also clearly starved for anti-bush content and that year and a half old black eyed peas / JT track wasn't cutting it by that point

weezer - not my cup of tea really but i can’t front, the early stuff has great guitar sounds/hooks/vocals

green day - dookie singles are good, “time of your life” is good. the “wake me when september ends” song i hear in the supermarket is atrocious, i’m sure the vast majority of their music is awful

fall out boy - I don’t know this band

I feel like Clear Channel-backed Alt-Radio fests are the state fair equivalent for these bands. Here's Houston's...

https://www.buzzfest2021.com/

Offspring!
Chevelle!
P.O.D.!
CANDLEBOX!!!!

For comparison's sake, these bands are as far away from their respective heydays as Classic Rock bands (Styx, Speedwagon, Fabulous Thunderbirds etc.) playing Classic Rock Radio fests 20 years ago.

now i see more clearly that AI was the commercial and frankly probably artistic peak of a phenomenon that included rock against bush and NOFX and other punk-adjecent bands (you weren't supposed to call the indie label ones pop-punk for some reason) becoming "political" in various mostly hamfisted ways. but it was also the start of green day's classic-rockification which is a dreary thing

i never want to hear "good riddance" again

i will always love good riddance tbh

the anomalu here is what Left just described, the high tide mark is actually AI and y'know ffs

i don't think anyone is denying that AI was their commercial peak

riding in on the big wave that brought us Kings of Leon oh ffs let's do the planet from orbit

need some kind of micro measurements about when "original" punk acts turned into classic rock vs every ripple afterwards i.e. nothing turned out worser than The Clash idk

american idiot was not their worst, or the worst blockbuster rock album of the era but it was really not very good

combining the pretensions and bombast of classic rock with the bland straight-forward lack of nuance of pop punk was just a dreadful combo

I basically agree but it was and remains Important regardless. the market has spoken, Rolling Stone has spoken, the RnR HoF has spoken, Broadway has spoken. as millennials are taking over what's left of Big Rock Crit I imagine it will remain Important for a while

I also think ILX has a bit of an blind spot to how big American Idiot was in the larger world, I that's the record a lot of people think of not Dookie

dude you're not even the 86-est poster on this thread

I was lucky enough to graduate before 'Good Riddance' happened but you'd better believe I heard it at every one of my siblings' ceremonies.

i was in 4th grade when american idiot came out and in music class at the time the teacher would play the title track's video as a reward if everyone had been good

i wasn't much of a fan

this is another starved-for-options kind of issue but armstrong being bi was actually a really big deal for a lot of kids my age. nothing new in pop of course but it was new to many people and it was an aggressively heteronormative time even/esp in the UK

i have never even heard that so god bless him if he called it

i mean the anti-normativity of Fall Out Boy et al is a chunk of my love and i don't pay any attention to music pressy stuff but god bless you Billie Joe

The last time I saw Green Day live was in 2000 with the Get Up Kids opening - if they promised to repeat that exact set list I'd pay the $60 or whatever to see this shitshow. The other two are terrible top to bottom so no matter how bad Green Day has gotten they're still the winners here.

This Ain't a Meme It's a Heart Face still the best of the best

thinking about this early Green Day probably are part of that original movement of demachoifaction of pop-rock

AND Weezer tbf

but also i never had much fondness for them overall - dookie is good & that's about it? i would probably take the most recent weezer album (which is actually ok) over 90% of green day's discog lol

― ufo, Thursday, June 24, 2021 1:49 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ufo listen to insomniac more

"Boulevard of Broken Dreams"

Pretty sure we've done a side-by-side comparison of the lyrics of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" with those of Whitesnake's "Here I Go Again."

What sort of road am I on? Behold: you can see that is a lonely one.

In what fashion am I walking on this road? Alone. That is how I am walking on this road which is lonely.

Who is with me on this road? No one. I am the only one who is walking alone upon this lonely road. To put it another way, I am on my own.

Am I aware of any other type of road? Why, no. This is the only sort of road with which I am familiar: a lonely one.

heard this ^^^ on the radio once and thought it was a joke

I know Pete Wentz dated Ashlee Simpson but I couldn't hum a single Fall Out Boy song in my head. Maybe a generational thing.

surely you remember when the mups got lit

I mean, look, there hasn't been any new new-and-actually-normie-famous rock bands in like five years except for maybe Twenty One Pilots? Like ppl are not fuckin w White Reaper and Lovelytheband or whatever like that, and the whole Lorde/Eilish/Lana sphere is basically eating the zoomers if they're not taking so many Xans so they can meet XXXTentacion in Equestria or whatever they do. So this is what you get, this is what we have left.

Green Day have been a bland-if-not-inoffensive classic rock band for 10+ years, save that "dance" album that was hugely embarrassing but p4k gave it a 6.7 because poptimism or whatever.

Fall Out Boy has been a kind of metropolitan pan-genre EDM pop band for the last 10 years, and they're probably in that Maroon5/Imagine Dragons zone where no one really is passionate about the band in they way they would be for like Phish or Sophie, but they have radio hits through sheer force of will. The one song that sampled the Munsters was beyond the pale

Weezer have been like the Reddit house band ever since OK Go fucked off. Just nightmare stuff

4 stars largely otm post

so this is how rock dies. not a headbang, but a simper.

xxpost

All of which is to say none of them are "washed up" in any meaningful sense of the word. Just who is embarrassing themselves the most. Green Day making the world's shittiest Dirtbombs album and Fall Out Boy making Peloton Zumba ass music is like John Luther Adams' "Become" trilogy compared to Weezer releasing a song where the lyrics were literally "Don't be influenced by an office full of dorks/I won't mention any names [**cough cough**] Pitchfork"

Lol bison

the difference is weezer did an actually genuinely good semi-returning to their classic sound album in the past 5 years which is enough to make them way less washed than green day at present despite the incredible amount of nonsense they've also put out in the past 20 years

a lot about weezer is totally embarrassing and detestable (including pinkerton) but i do unfortunately have a soft spot for their sound at its best

like if you take the last decade of each of their careers:

green day:
-some of the worst music ever recorded (the trilogy)
-some mediocre-to-bad albums (the two since)

washed

fall out boy:
-successfully pivoted to imagine dragons-esque stuff in line with pop rock trends and remained very successful
-some of their output was pretty bad but not really as bad as the other two got
-fascinatingly weird at times (what the hell was "young and menace" anyway)

not really washed yet

weezer:
-some of the worst music ever recorded (black album, teal album)
-genuinely very good album that's up their with their 90s material (white album)
-a bunch of ok-ish unspectacular stuff that's still better than anyone would have expected them to be doing at this point based on their previous decade (ewbaite, pacific daydream, ok human, van weezer)

pure chaos but at least there's a gem in there?

Fall Out Boy recorded a 100 gecs cover.

I guess it depends if we're talking about who would be the biggest washed up lame band to actually see live at the concert or which of these bands is the most shitty at this stage of their recording career

because if it's the latter, I would feed all three bands to wolves and vote for none of them.

i have no idea if green day can still put on a show live or not

i would imagine fob can to some degree?

weezer have been a baffling embarrassment live forever

ufo listen to insomniac more

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 June 2021 10:37 AM (two hours ago)

gave it a listen & it's pretty good! doesn't quite have the huge hooks that dookie did (probably why i remembered nothing about it having not heard it for a decade) but it's a solid follow-up, dirnt clearly band mvp?

stop dissing the Wolves neander

I'm hard-pressed to think of an alterna-act I liked 25 years ago (many of whose older material I still enjoy today) that I would be pumped to see today.

I think generally the only older act I seem to have found consensus with other people on is Cocteau Twins, which I would probably pay multiple hundos to see now (having already seen MBV in the last several years, which is still v highly recommended). '90s alt acts just don't seem to have as much staying power.

lol NV

I think the list is Melvins, Faith No More, Portishead, the Breeders and the Wu-Tang Clan but only if they can get all 8 living members on stage

Ween too

Wu-Tang in 2018 (was that the year???) was fuckin' amazing.