outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

She claimed recently that she had never had ANY vaccinations for anything. I assumed she was just lying, because how is that possible? I’ve had so many different mandatory shots for school and travel and my jobs. But maybe you can somehow avoid them all?

what about your dip/tet? gotta have your dip/tet

only if you worship satan

man i don't remember that part of raising arizona

It can happen just based on a person's age. For example, I'm 61 and grew up in the US. The only vaccines I received as a child were smallpox and polio. I remember being ill with measles, German measles, whooping cough. I had my first tetanus shot at 10 when I stepped on a nail. I got chicken pox at 16. Looking back, I wondered if my parents were antivax or what. But the vaccines in general only became available after I had the disease and they weren't required for school at the time.

i remember getting “booster shots” and in retrospect i have no idea what they were for

Yeah, she’s a bit older and was in Iowa the whole time, so maybe it was just timing! Or a series of heavily recommended but not mandated vaccines that they avoided every single time

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i remember getting “booster shots” and in retrospect i have no idea what they were for

― Tracer Hand,

To make you less resistant to Bryan Ferry iirc

on the issue of "endemic", this is a good thread, not just pedantry about the meaning of the word (it really just means R = 1, i.e. not growing or falling)

I don't understand that thread at all. In my experience when people talk about eventual endemicity of COVID they're saying it'll end up like H1N1 (Spanish flu strain) which definitely doesn't have a literal R=1 steady state -- the number of people infected with that virus is not at all constant! It comes and goes seasonally, undergoes geographically specific outbreaks which then die out, etc, still kills some people but (compared to 1918-19 H1N1 or 2020-21 COVID) not very many, etc. I think that's what people are saying the future of COVID could look like.

what about your dip/tet? gotta have your dip/tet

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-05/israel-sees-decline-in-pfizer-vaccine-efficacy-rate-ynet-says?srnd=premium-asia🕸

lol, just read that article this morning, and shared w/ nervous friends. agree - that makes much more sense.

just frustrated that the narrative is still "Pfizer isn't that effective at protecting infection", which is already being seized upon by Feigl-Ding and other alarmists, which will no doubt lead some folks to say "what's the point of being vaccinated" (64% efficiency still makes vaccine worth getting, but some people think that means 36% of inoculated will get sick because few people understand how it's calculated).

also, am I hearing that they're finding similar protection from Moderna at much lower doses? would be good if that were the case and we could use less Moderna and share more of these shots across the world.

I was going to ask if you didn't get TB shots in the US, but wiki tells me that TB was so rare in the US that mass immunization was never necessary. The dreaded BCG vaccine was compulsory for schoolchildren in the UK till 2005, count yourselves lucky you never got it!

NEW: Netherlands reports 3,688 new coronavirus cases, an increase of 482% compared to last week. Government seeking advice to determine if measures are needed

— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) July 7, 2021

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it's true. TB is on the list of things they test for as part of the green card medical. if you have immunity to TB it's taken as presumptive evidence that you've had TB in the US because they don't vaccinate. and if you've had TB you can be infectious for life, so you have to pay for a bunch of extra tests to prove you never actually had it.

(and if you have multiple immigration medicals, you have to go through this process multiple times. ask me how i know.)

This feels good.

Breakthrough infections are very rare after mRNA vaccinations in prisons where weekly PCR tests were performed and the setting promotes transmission
2380 vaccinated, 27 infections (1.1%), only 17 after both doses (0.7%)@NEJM https://t.co/9xtIBvMiGz pic.twitter.com/FS9L4RVJsa

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) July 7, 2021

🚨🚨 | BREAKING: All Coronavirus restrictions will be scrapped from July 19, government confirms

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) July 12, 2021

That’ll show Matt Hancock

this is a good summary figure

(and also explains a bit why people are taking the israel results with a pinch of salt: they are not consistent with results elsewhere)

Nice graphic from @FT comparing vaccine efficacy vs alpha compared vs delta pic.twitter.com/4oPovlucKa

— Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD (@PeterHotez) July 11, 2021

oh cool I follow Peter too.

yeah supposedly that study also showed 64% efficiency against both asymptomatic AND symptomatic, which seems...unlikely?

only gripe with Peter is that he RTs Feigl-Ding a *lot*

Been reading up on Thailand, which goes under a strict lockdown today and had an all-time record 86 deaths and 8,500 new cases yesterday.

My dad had GBS, it's no joke, but not good news.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/12/us/politics/fda-warning-johnson-johnson-vaccine-nerve-syndrome.html

at this point I wonder if they're just going to focus on the mRNA vaccines. J&J's perception, low risk or not, took a hit that it didn't really recover from, only 3% of vaccinated have gotten J&J, and the mRNA vaccines provide better protection.

I don't see it being pulled, as the risk is low, but definitely not going to build confidence.

i'm sorry to hear, the table is the table.

my uncle's father-in-law died after getting vaccinated. he was a healthy guy in his early 60s. an investigation was underway but the hospital was not very cooperative and it just made it difficult to even find out how it happened. one day he was fine and the other day he was no longer with us.

vaccine apartheid https://t.co/ecCZuF3moy pic.twitter.com/6SHrKZqMoc

— Model failstate citizen 🍞🌹 (@failstater) July 20, 2021

I don't think it's accurate to talk about deaths "across Africa" -- the numbers are massively higher in Namibia than anywhere else on the continent. That rate of 28/million in Namibia is 6 in South Africa, 0.9 in Uganda, 0.1 in Kenya, 0.05 in Ghana. I guess it's possible that COVID deaths are being massively underreported everywhere in Africa except Namibia. Maybe there WILL be a huge new wave of cases and deaths across Africa but it didn't happen the last time there was one in the Americas and Europe.

NEW: The J&J coronavirus vaccine is much less effective against Delta and Lambda variants than against the original virus, acc to a new study -- suggesting the 13 mil people who got it should get a second dose, ideally one of the mRNA vaccines.https://t.co/ctxIQT1qvL

— Apoorva Mandavilli (@apoorva_nyc) July 20, 2021

that's odd, Topol was just sharing another study suggesting J&J did just fine against it. but the article does mention this study differs from previous ones.

But the conclusions are at odds with those from smaller studies published by Johnson & Johnson earlier this month suggesting that a single dose of the vaccine is effective against the variant even eight months after inoculation.

The new study has not yet been peer reviewed nor published in a scientific journal, and relied on laboratory experiments. But it is consistent with observations that a single dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine — which has a similar architecture to the J.&J. vaccine — shows only about 33 percent efficacy against symptomatic disease caused by the Delta variant.

kinda hesitant to suggest millions of people get new jabs when so many people haven't had one here and overseas, but....I can't imagine older people or those with co-morbidities will feel too assuaged by that.

this whole pandemic is a shit sandwich.

otoh, only about 3% of the shots in this country were J&J

The NYT article is less absolute about J&J's ineffectiveness against Delta than the tweet that cites it. Which sums up the difference between solid journalism and most of Twitter.

Miami's Jackson Health System, Florida's largest public hospital, is raising its Covid-19 alert level to high and banning most visitors again because of the virus surge. Meanwhile, just 58 percent *of its staff* is vaccinated, a percentage the hospital's CEO called "low."

— Patricia Mazzei (@PatriciaMazzei) July 20, 2021

Yeah, that tweet was a fairly egregious example of this fucking noise that is drowning out actual signal right now. It's not flat out wrong, but amplifies the wrong aspects of the story to generate clicks and scares.

xp I agree with the hospital's CEO

Dr. Abbo said the Delta variant is making unvaccinated people sicker, faster. She said some people will have a dinner party on a Thursday and show up very sick at the hospital by Sunday.

— Patricia Mazzei (@PatriciaMazzei) July 20, 2021

yeah that seems to be consensus now. that the incubation period is much shorter and symptoms come on a lot faster.

that's good and bad (mostly bad obviously), in that you can get infected and quickly turn around and spread the fucker, esp if you're unvaccinated. otoh, if you're symptomatic, you'll know sooner and hopefully quarantine?

guess it's more bad than good.

sounds like one for the packaging:

COVID-19
"Guess it's more bad than good!"

with a singing bear flipping you off on the cover

I've gone to dinner parties after which I've been very sick, sometimes hours afterwards. I can relate.

told ya to avoid the shellfish mang.

otoh, only about 3% of the shots in this country were J&J

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We already know all this in the UK btw.

sorry, the American way is that nothing counts until we personally experience it ourselves

No comment.

not only that, but I grew up in Missouri - "the show me state". we were taught this dogmatic shit in elementary school

We're that Zillow commercial.

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Is the Aussie zero covid policy collapsing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/21/australias-pm-defends-covid-vaccine-rollout-as-half-of-population-awakes-in-lockdown