Persia is Iran - that is, it's an older name for exactly the same country, not some area roughly but not exactly coterminous.
― In the wastelands of Birmingham and Manchester, massages are back (ledge)
Yeah, most Iranian immigrants in the states refer to themselves as Persian - we associate 'Iran' and 'Iranian' with the Ayatollah
― Deflatormouse, Wednesday, 7 July 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
esp Jewish ones aiui
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 8 July 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link
(only 3% or so of the Persian Jewish population still lives in Iran)
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 8 July 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
^This gets really complicated.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 8 July 2021 03:25 (two years ago) link
Like, there are the 'Jadid al-Islam' (fake Muslims, literally "new Muslims") who were converted to Islam by force, for example in Mashhad in the 1800's. Some became 'crypto-Jews' and continued to practice Judaism secretly.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 8 July 2021 03:32 (two years ago) link
Then there are others who, like my parents, fled to Iran from other Arab states after the formation of Israel and maybe added -pour to their surnames to blend in. We're "fake Persians" as well as "fake Muslims". It's all very muddled. Like, if 3% of Persian Jews still live in Iran, who exactly does this account for
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 8 July 2021 03:39 (two years ago) link
no idea tbf I just read the wikipedia infobox, do tell
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 8 July 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link
Just saying i don't see how it's really possible to calculate this. I assume it's a guesstimate of the number of Jews in present day Iran who openly identify as Jewish as compared to the number of Jews in Persia of whatever nationality who openly identified as Jewish in 1978, but that's a potentially misleading figure.
Quite apart from the complex question of who counts as Jewish, or of who counts as Persian, Jews in Iran were not necessarily eager to out themselves in the mid 19th c, let alone the late 20th c
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 8 July 2021 04:27 (two years ago) link
There's also the matter of record keeping, I have aunts and uncles who don't know when their birthday is.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 8 July 2021 04:39 (two years ago) link
microsoft office informed me yesterday that use of the word "farsi" is potentially offensive
― burly crafty woodsman (James Harden) vs tall ethereal phantom (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 July 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
That "hung like a donkey" is from the Bible (Ezekiel 23:20).
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Thursday, 8 July 2021 16:24 (two years ago) link
"Jizz like a horse" also in the same verse.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 9 July 2021 01:41 (two years ago) link
Wasn't Ba'athist Iraq fairly tolerant of Jews? I remember hearing that somewhere
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 9 July 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
No, no they weren't:
Almost all the rest follow after the public hangings of "Israeli spies" in 1969 by the Baath party, which had just come to power off the back of a coup.
"Promotion of Zionism" was punishable by death and that legislation has remained unchanged.
There are currently fewer than five jews in Iraq.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 9 July 2021 15:25 (two years ago) link
All I was trying to do was make a really stupid joke, but Google wouldn't let me.
https://i.imgur.com/jUJWABW.png
― pplains, Saturday, 10 July 2021 00:40 (two years ago) link
Uh kind of stereotyped there, Google
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Saturday, 10 July 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
My paternal great uncle was executed in Baghdad in 1950, after that they "converted" and split and for Tehran in 1951. They were long gone by the time the Baathists took over anyhow- i doubt if many Jews were left in Iraq in the late 60's. Prior to 1948, they were hardly "tolerated" but not quite persecuted. My grandfather used to tell me all the time about how segregated Baghdad was before all this.
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:43 (two years ago) link
I don't think "Farsi" is offensive but we call it Persian
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:45 (two years ago) link
Gonna take a break from discussing this.
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 10 July 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
Sorry mom's family left in '51.Dad's family left in '57 so that would mean my great uncle was executed in 56 if it makes a difference.
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
In 57 they had to bribe officials just to be allowed to leave. In 51 they could just leave.
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
The Shining was released in the US on the same week as The Empire Strikes Back but was outgrossed by a third pop cultural powerhouse which was also released that week. The name of that third film? The Gong Show Movie. And that's the rest of the story. Good day!
― I Scream For Ice Cream But Also Just All The Time And For No Reason (Old Lunch), Sunday, 11 July 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
I think that was because The Shining was initially released only in LA and NYC (10 screens altogether). It was released nationwide three weeks later.
― Josefa, Sunday, 11 July 2021 00:42 (two years ago) link
While I was vaguely aware that Ernest Borgnine and Ethel Merman had been married, I had no idea about the actual details of their short-lived nuptial bliss:
Borgnine's marriage to singer Ethel Merman in 1964 lasted only 42 days. Their time together was mostly spent hurling profane insults at each other, and both later admitted that the marriage was a colossal mistake (Merman's description of the marriage in her autobiography was a solitary blank page). Their divorce was finalized on May 25, 1965.
― hosonono (Matt #2), Monday, 12 July 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
But can you tell us about his marriage to Katy Jurado?
― Planck Generation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 July 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link
Apparently the straw that broke the camel’s back was during their honeymoon Ernest gave Ethel a Dutch Oven (he farted in bed and held her head under the covers).
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 12 July 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link
and he yelled "Hello, Dolly" as he did it.
― not up to Aerosmith standards (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 July 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link
I don't think "Farsi" is offensive but we call it Persian― Deflatormouse, Saturday, July 10, 2021
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link
Wiliam Dalrymple , the guy who wrote The Anarchy did an online webinar recently where he said that Persian was the language of the Indian Royal court around the time. I think he was saying that it was becoming harder to find people who spoke the version of the language particularly since a fellow scholar of his who had almost been fluent had died.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link
Sophie Dahl's father was the actor, Julian Holloway, meaning her grandfathers were Roald Dahl and Stanley Holloway.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
Guy Pratt, Pink Floyd sideman, is the son of Mike Pratt, of Randall & Hopkirk fame.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Friday, 16 July 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
I just learned this week that he played bass on Like a Prayer by Madonna.
― peace, man, Friday, 16 July 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
He also married Richard Wright's daughter.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 16 July 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link
The Like a Prayer chunk in his stand-up is vg (also his book, but you don’t get him doing Madonna voice)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 16 July 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link
His dad was also a songwriter/musician (as well as an actor) who wrote with Lionel Bart and Tommy Steele.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Friday, 16 July 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link
that Lotte Lenya played central evil and treacherous secret agent in early Bond movie.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 July 2021 22:42 (two years ago) link
most memorable character for me, I must say, in otherwise clumsy effort
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 July 2021 23:34 (two years ago) link
The LGBQT acronym for indigenous Canada adds like 6 more letters. 2SLGBTQQIA Two-Spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual (2SLGBTQQIA) which I heard a couple of weeks ago and couldn't work out what the 2nd Q was at the time.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 17 July 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link
whaaaaaat. damn
― Nhex, Saturday, 17 July 2021 01:55 (two years ago) link
i've never seen 2S at the front, but i guess it changes more often than i check in
― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Saturday, 17 July 2021 01:57 (two years ago) link
I think 2s is specifically indigenous. I think it has even been something there has been some debate about cultural appropriation when non indigenous people have attempted to claim it asa term. have seen a talk where teh speaker flatly denied taht anybody who is not of a tribal background can claim a status of 2 spirithood. He went on to say taht the term used in different tribes and the perspective on the role changed from tribe to tribe. But it was something that had been accepted in a pre Christian hegemonical indigenous epistemology or something along those lines, like it was a thing in existence and acccepted not shunned in a lot of tribes. But Christian morality when imposed frowned upon marginalised sexuality. Probably actively marginalised it in fact.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 17 July 2021 09:27 (two years ago) link
The Peter Principle was a 1969 satirical book exploring the phenomena of being promoted to the level of one's own incompetence.I had come across the idea before but had no idea it wasa book until I found taht book in a charity shop yesterday.It's written by Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull. So the peter of teh name is one of the author's surnames. So maybe a bit narciossistic. I thought people named principles etc after other people and noramlly dead ones. But yeah interesting little tome, a bit dated and illustrated with loads of Victorian era Punch illustrations or similar alongside some diagrams etc.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 17 July 2021 09:32 (two years ago) link
xp sorry point was speaker was an indigenous 2 spirit person themselves and saying that it was not a term that could be used by non indigenous people. I think I put in a double negative that I didn't mean to.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 17 July 2021 09:34 (two years ago) link
Just found out that it's Genesis and Cosey on the cover of UFO's Force It album, pre-TG.
https://dangerousminds.net/comments/when_half_of_throbbing_gristle_ended_up_on_a_ufo_lp_cover
Also, that all the facets on the cover was a pun on the title ("Force It").
― nickn, Monday, 19 July 2021 18:04 (two years ago) link
facets = faucets (And I proof-read!)
The whole thing couldn't be any more Hipgnosis really
― cryptkeepers are different (Matt #2), Monday, 19 July 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
Robyn Hitchcock's father wrote the novel "Percy", about the world's first successful penis transplant, later a film starring Hywel Bennett with soundtrack by the Kinks.
― Soundtracked by an eco jazz mixtape. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 09:32 (two years ago) link
I remember playing maniac mansion on the PC when I was 13 and being frustrated at being unable to select the tap, only something called a "faucet"
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 09:56 (two years ago) link
For some reason I had it in my head that Americans were more precise than us and distinguished between the spout and the thing you turn (the faucet). But now I see I’ve invented this and that faucet covers both things, just like tap does. I’ve also just discovered that in some parts of America it’s called a spigot instead.
― Alba, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link
Often pronounced "spickit"
― peace, man, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 10:57 (two years ago) link