2021 nba offseason draft free agency etc

Val is nice (I think he should play 35 mpg a game after all) but the Grizzlies’ best players are super young and getting more draft capital here is worth it. Honestly I think this is a nice trade for both teams.

if they dont get giddey they can grab moody on the wing. theyll get someone who can play right away.

Would be surprised if giddey doesn’t last to 10 but I also am very low on him

shooting? or D? both?

i think his court vision alone makes him worth watching

He’s a cool player but this draft is fucking stacked and you don’t need to take a glue guy at 10. I just don’t see him ever being an all star. I would be happy to be wrong tho.

But yeah what makes him good is basically that he’s a giant point guard but I don’t see scoring there and it’s not like he ever takes over games from what I’ve seen

i think theres some scoring potential once he fixes his jumper. hes not fast, but luka is showing that creatvity and size are Good things. he feels lamelo ish in terms of creativity. hes also p young, he was 18 playing in a grownups league.

whats yr big board looking like this year?

if they dont get giddey they can grab moody on the wing. theyll get someone who can play right away.

also if they’re targeting a guy who needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective when they already have ja and dillon brooks godspeed to them

i didnt say start right away!

no 10 picks dating back to 2010… 3/11 good players. vast majority of these guys were actively harmful when playing right away

jalen smith
cam reddish
mikal bridges
zach collins
thon maker
justise winslow
elfrid payton
cj mccollum
austin rivers
jimmer fridette
paul george

anecdotally speaking i feel like outside of the top 5 but inside the lottery is a real minefield. feels like you have as good a chance of getting a good to great player at 17 as you at 10 these days. maybe you get the donovan mitchell or the bam but i’m suspicious of a team who is very confident they’re getting that player and not zach collins or, like, romeo langford

i want to be clear that im setting the bar at "someone who can crack the rotation this year" which i think is reasonable for a deep draft imo!

basically any top 10 pick will crack the rotation if they can walk (except for last year’s no 10 pick, lol) but the large majority of them especially outside the top 3 or 5 are not gonna be good right away. maybe the grizz get a great longterm piece and this is all gravy but i’d prob rather have just stayed at 17 and tried to get this year’s version of saadiq bey than take on a bunch of stuff bcuz i think i know who is gonna be a star at no. 10 (an 18 year old australian)

lol fair enough!

i guess i can’t figure out what they think their timeline is… i could get with the idea that they should step back a bit and keep building given the hierarchy in the west right now but i bet that’s not what they’re thinking

giddey in particular feels like a bizarre fit for them i don’t get that at all, they need athletic shooters not a crafty ball dominant point forward. if you could guarantee me that they get the equivalent of mikal bridges with this pick i’d be on board with what they’re doing here

moses moody fits that bill

i guess the argument from memphis’ side would be that the gap between jonas and adams isn’t enormous, they have no cap issues given how young their team is, so why not eat adams and bledsoe’s contracts for 2 years in order to move up in the first and second rounds and get an extra lakers first. the logic isn’t unsound i just think you have to assume the player you pick at 10 is gonna be worse than you think but i guess most GMs don’t think that way

they're reportedly also looking at franz wagner, who is probably not ready to contribute as a scorer but his defense and facilitating should translate pretty quickly

I think they truly just think giddey is a great player and maybe they’re right. In general I respect a team that just goes and gets their guy.

yeah in that spot i would be looking for "anyone who can shoot" but the grizz have always done their own thing.

on the other side it's pretty hard to find a silver lining in giving up a bunch of draft position to undo the mistakes you did a year ago but i guess it's not the most painful way to get off of two bad contracts i've ever seen.

do people really think cade will be a point guard in the nba? like he’ll probably be a fine player, but i feel like people are trying to make it happen by repeating it or something

no reason to think he wont be in a league where lebron, luka, and ben simmons are all lead ballhandlers.

he feels like a middleton or tatum type player where you’d want to have a nominal PG in the line up but on important possessions he’s gonna have the ball in his hands a lot

otm

i think the fit with killian hayes works in theory for that reason (assuming killian hayes is an actual nba basketball player)

I think I just hate the phrase “lead ball handler”. But yeah, I feel more comfortable projecting him as a big wing who can shoot and make some sick plays than as a full time playmaker that you don’t need a nominal point to pair with. It’ll be interesting to see how he fits or doesn’t fit with Killian.

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draft tonight! who ya got?

chaos

I'm going to miss it. Hoping for Simmons blockbuster.

based on what morey is asking for him right now, dont hold your breath (bc u wd die from lack of oxygen to ur brain, plz breathe!!!!)

oh sweet i didnt know it was tonight

i think cunningham, green, mobley is pretty much a done deal for the top 3, after that its probably suggs and barnes in some order. then theres a group of bouknight, kuminga, giddey, moody, sengun, and wagner that are probably locks for lottery picks. then a bunch of guys who are either high risk/reward guys (jalen johnson, keon johnson, kai jones, ziaire williams) or at minimum high level role players (garuba, kispert) or old rookies who should play right away (duarte, davion mitchell). and trades, shitloads of trades.

gotta love trades

i'm hoping something happens in the top 3 to deviate from the chalk but it seems like it's gonna be chalk

probably a good group of dudes to go chalk on tbh

yeah those three guys are all considered safe picks and no one's going to kill a team that drafts one of them

feel like i'm hearing about an unusual number of low ceiling/high floor "he can play right away" guys starting around the 8th pick. going to be some busts among that group.

im high on kai jones for the spurs, just an irrational love for a super athletic big who has realized and unrealized three-point potential and is still learning how to play

im v wary of sengun bc of his lack of defensive role, and everyone is convinced the spurs are going to get him, ughhhhhh

i think scottie barnes' hype is questionable, like he'll be a good defender but if he never learns to shoot ppl are gonna look at him like michael kidd-gilchrist or something

yeah i feel the same way. it's cool to get OG anunoby with the 23rd pick, not so cool to get him with the fourth or fifth pick. that said i have a sneaking suspicion masai is going to take him

i have watched very little video but did spend some time watching barnes shoot. it's pretty bad.

suggs seems like a much more reasonable pick. i dont think he'll ever be mvp but a PG you can pair with FVV as lowry leaves, why overthink it?

he just seems like a gamer who will do winning time shit, seems good idk

kuminga will be really interesting bc he was considered the #5 guy in this draft for a while and now could fall to like 8 (or maybe lower?) guy sacrificed a lot to get here and he's barely old enough to be here. seems like a reasonable risk to take him if you give him a couple of years to grow as a player.

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