outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

somewhat more reassuring

The latest Israeli data that shows sustained high effectiveness of mRNA vaccines vs severe illness in people age > 60, during the Delta wave, but amidst increasing breakthrough cases. Via @AArgoetti and @LittleMoiz pic.twitter.com/1J2uTWkC2Z

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 9, 2021

Ironically, on 1 May, the CDC announced it would stop monitoring post-vaccination breakthrough infections unless they led to hospitalizations or deaths. This decision can be seen as exceptionally ill-advised

Everyone wants the pandemic to be over and so it is.

I think the new administration may also want to bury any bad news. It's not just Trump.

The American Academy of Pediatrics Tells the FDA to Speed Up and Stop Endangering Patients

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2021/08/81683.html

Meantime, a few days old but more on how/why we're holding up in SF (the key reason is the obvious one)

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/The-vaccination-advantage-How-San-Francisco-s-16370752.php

weed?

Amazing

But of course what this SF data suggests is the possibility that even with very high vaccination rates and high compliance with mitigation measures, cases are going to grow exponentially and eventually affect most of the population, vaxxed and not, and that people who are either vaxxed or young will very likely escape serious harm but the old/unvaxxed will not. And if that's the case, it makes you wonder how useful the mitigation measures are, esp. once we can vaccinate everybody 5 and up.

A buddy and myself got the J&J vaccine on the same day in April... he's now decided that wasn't good enough, so he went in and got dose #1 of the Pfizer.

Apparently that's becoming a thing for Bay Area folks who got the J&J, heard so on the radio.

gonna keep happening until we find some data on boosters that people can agree on.

like I don't even know if my 'boost' was worth it or not but....since my trial didn't give me the option to be part of the booster trial, and I live with elder parents, I was kind of forced into a corner there.

so i was reading the news here in canada and bell's palsy is now a side effect, albeit rare, of the pfizer vaccine (https://nationalpost.com/health/pfizer-vaccine-label-amended-in-canada-to-list-bells-palsy-as-possible-side-effect).

work forces us to take time off in the summer, so that piece of news coupled with my discovery of alex berenson today led me down a rabbit hole of reported adverse effects.

i couldn't find any tracking system for canada, but i found one for the US -- VAERS. this isn't meant as fear-mongering, because the weird ones are all super rare, but it was kind of interesting to see all the anomalies. i sorted it by pfizer and the most "common ones" (all below 19%) but you can reverse the sorting by percent of 203,069:

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=3A8E8483E7316E74ED74AE36F98D?stage=results&action=sort&direction=MEASURE_DESCEND&measure=D8.M2

i wonder how easy it is to report adverse effects in the US? i did a bit of reading and apparently it's a glitchy system, but it's still pretty cool that you're able to submit adverse effects through your phone

the link broke so you can just click here

Yes, I signed up for the phone reporting immediately after my first shot in early January, and was regularly surveyed for some time. Presumably there's a huge data pool now.

I guess I'm gonna have to bookmark this fucking thread again, good luck everyone

there's a local company (in vancouver, canada) called sanotize that is testing a nasal spray. it's currently in phase 2 clinical trials and has only been tested on 79 people, unfortunately. phase 3 is really where you see if any treatment is of any use, though, so don't get your hopes up.

anyway, it was able to decrease the UK variant's viral load by 95%, if i'm reading this right: https://sanotize.com/enovid/

never listen to alex berenson

I really want the nasal vax

the bels palsy thing kind of freaks me out, because my dad developed bels palsy in his 40s and his face never recovered from it, so I'm already a little afraid the same will happen to me. And I got pfizer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCl7qeAuwEA

never listen to alex berenson

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

re: Gottlieb, that's the thing. southern states that were the first to see spikes will probably start eventually seeing a recession, but then other states that weren't as badly hit are going to start seeing their own bigger spikes.

being this big of a landmass really sucks.

that's not me saying that I'm fat

a bit surprised to hear Gottlieb so confident about a coming downward trend in the South but I suppose every spike has burned itself out.

what a fucking joke: Florida's lying-assed DOH claims CDC mis-reporting its cases

I do not trust Florida's DOH so

xpost Gottlieb is a little bullish on that compared to other experts, so I'm not 100% sure it will happen that fast.

this fuckin' guy:

As the majority of Florida's K-12 schools prepare to reopen campuses at full capacity this week — many of them on Tuesday — Gov. Ron DeSantis announced that the state Board of Education could withhold pay from school leaders who implement mask mandates for students.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/09/1026299001/florida-governor-desantis-school-superintendent-salary-masks

I mean is this just fully ripping the mask off pure evil at this point? I want my citizens dead to please my twice impeached orange daddy hero?

he's a demon. and sadly there are other heads to this snake in other state Governors

Oh I know he's hardly the exception, just seems like he's not afraid to set the vanguard in pointless cruelty.

I mean, I'm no lawyer here and maybe he can't even actually have their pay withheld, but I'm sure just the threat is enough to keep superintendents in small districts and towns from doing the right thing this week. This shit infuriates me.

this fuckin' guy, pt. 2:

Breaking: Gov. Greg Abbott announces Texas will be seeking out-of-state health care personnel to help with the latest surge, and he is asking hospitals to voluntarily postpone elective medical procedures. pic.twitter.com/bNltNhYvT4

— Jesus Jiménez (@jesus_jimz) August 9, 2021

Dozens of Texas hospitals have run out of intensive care unit beds as COVID-19 surges faster than any other time during the pandemic, propelled by the new delta variant. https://t.co/HQgAy0W9rq

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) August 10, 2021

yeah but self-reliance

just look after each other on an individual, private level like the lord intended

the amazing thing is that there are so many people who will outright tell you that none of this is actually happening. The fact that it is printed in any kind of newspaper is automatic proof that it's made up.

The most hilarious criticism I've seen is that newspapers are "plagiarizing" each other because they are printing similarly alarming stories based off the same facts and statistics.

It must be true, uh.

seriously, treating the fact that there are hundreds of news sources all telling the same story as proof of a giant conspiracy is the ultimate galaxy brain move, and there are a ton of people doing this right now.

propelled by the new delta variant

maybe they're not plagiarising hard enough!

On the plus side, sounds like lots of schools in Texas, including the entire Dallas public school system, is defying his ass hattery and requiring masks.

I saw a very compelling post arguing that the real bottleneck is not when you run out of beds but when you run out of nurses, which comes first.

Thursday Houston school district will vote on a mask mandate. We wrote all of our school board members and pushed calling on the school facebook groups.

Conservative parents on Facebook chimed in and I want to stab them in the face. I know where one of them lives and I couldn’t sleep for fantasizing about destroying his property.

“The public”

xp: calzino has posted some excellent tire-spiking advice somewhere on this board, if you choose to go that route.

There's plenty of data about nurses quitting, but as my husband works in the largest ER in Philadelphia, I can confirm through anecdata that nurses, techs, and CNAs are quitting at shocking rates.

I’d hoped to be done saying this long ago, but I’ll say it again now anyway: “What a time to be alive.”

never listen to alex berenson

― symsymsym, Monday, August 9, 2021 7:30 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

oh, for sure! i just found out who he was recently and was perplexed

not to like, be that guy, but actually in fact to be that guy, ime most kids and teenagers just will not wear their masks properly no matter what you do. if kids down to 12 y o can get vaxxed why not just require vaccinations to attend middle school and high school in person?

That's what I'd like to see happen, tbh.

those people "storming" the "bbc" "offices" yesterday would have a thing to say about this.

yeah, the kids would be denied choice in this, but the same is true of other vaccinations.