outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

so doesn't that mean, given SD's population, the entire state is infected?

I think if you have antibodies from the vaccine now there's no way to know if you had antibodies from before the vaccine. I spent a lot of time before the vaccine recommending people donate blood to the Red Cross to take advantage of their free antibody testing, but I don't know anyone else that actually did it. I kind of suspect far more people had covid than knew.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, August 23, 2021 8:59 AM bookmarkflaglink

there are specific antibody tests that test for prior infection that won't pick up the vaccine. i dont' know what they are, though.

I knwo this because I got an antibody test at my doctor's behest and then in the results it said IF YOU HAVE BEEN VACCINATED, YOU WILL GET A NEGATIVE RESULT HERE BECAUSE THIS TEST PICKS UP PRIOR INFECTION

Yeah, I dunno. I asked the facilitator of the antibody study I've been enrolled in if the study is now moot, now that the vaccine has pumped me full of fresh antibodies, and she said they were just going to shift to following *those* levels rather than the (fading) natural antibodies that were there before.

Re: the FDA, all those hundreds of millions of doses were given *before* it was approved so of course those should be totally discounted. I'm waiting to see what happens after hundreds of millions of doses of the *safe* vaccine are given before I give it a chance myself.

yay

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/fda-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-wins-full-approval-clearing-path-to-mandates.html

The fuck is this

The Pfizer vaccine "will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee)"$PFE $BNTX https://t.co/GveqPaeXNu

— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla) August 23, 2021

"Nah I'm waiting on Dexylfentazurmin."

Goalposts, goalposts, never were there such movable goalposts...

Fox responded to FDA's full approval of the Pfizer vaccine by asking if it was rushed

"FDA just giving full approval to Pfizer's COVID vaccine, it's the first vaccine to get that full approval and in record time too, that has critics asking if the process was rushed. Was it?" pic.twitter.com/gadMyxB4vY

— Lis Power (@LisPower1) August 23, 2021

Well, WAS IT?

You tell me, you can do research with the Google like I can.

My Google machine stopped working and I can't buy the AA batteries at the moment.

it was the first to be approved and also faster to be approved than any others that were approved huh

Click Here to Learn About the Secret Pfizer-FDA Cabal!!!!

Ahh, so 'the approval was rushed!' will be the new talking point for idiots who want to die but can't commit to the staid formality of actual Russian roulette.

Can't trademark Coronavirus Vaccine.

Goalposts, goalposts, never were there such movable goalposts...

Every bit helps, I guess, but this is the least surprising development ever and is why full FDA approval is only going to help a very small percentage of the innocently confused as opposed to the much higher percentage of stupidly evil.

I knew the goalposts would move upon full approval, but even I didn't expect it to happen that fast. FOX is a menace to public health and needs to be treated as such.

i don't care about the noise, it was already there. more mask mandates will now be arriving and any increase in the # of people who get the vaccine is good. it needed to happen.

yeah, this is undoubtedly good news. This weekend we returned to a million-plus vaccines a day. Those operating in good faith who said they awaited FDA approval have nothing holding them back now.

Yeah the cascade of requirements that'll kick in here will be something.

Don't get me wrong, it's an incredibly positive development. Just watching the all very vaccinated FOX hosts "just ask questions" about the safety is fucking unconscionable and borderline criminal.

...it's the first vaccine to get that full approval and in record time too

omg I can't even begin to think why

If the Republicans were in charge you know they would overrule the FDA then launch a two-year investigation into whether or not it was rushed, and then also tie it to George Soros and the Clinton Foundation.

they're going to do that anyway

Turning Points dipshit Charlie Kirk was in town here over the weekend, speaking to our county Republican Party (who paid him $20,000 just to come, the grift never ends). At one point he declared "I am not vaccinated, and I will not be," and got a loud round of applause. Anti-vaxx is now the mainstream GOP position, at least around here. Republican officials who probably HAVE been vaccinated won't admit it in public for fear of backlash. What a shitshow.

He’s less dangerous than elder?

Yeah the cascade of requirements that'll kick in here will be something.

"Secrets Swingers Club hereby demands all its swingers be vaccinated...."

“He’s less dangerous than elder?”

Wrong thread ignore me

i think there’s something deep in the red-meat truck drivin mentality of the red stater that was really primed for this. it’s the mentality of the motorcyclist. yeah it’s dangerous. but i don’t care. you might want to live in fear buddy, not me. so my chances of disease are higher, so what? it’s my choice. i smoke, i ride motorcycles. i’m ready to die. i’m right with god. i’d rather just just one month without fear than the rest of my life in a cage. and just because YOU disagree doesn’t mean i have to live by your rules. oh my decisions affect you too? well YOUR decisions affect ME too! who are you to say your scared-ass beliefs should trump mine, KAREN?

Unfortunately that sounds about right. I don't have any openly anti-vaxxers in my media feeds but occasionally some acquaintance posts something vaguely like "I'd rather _______ than live in fear" or "blah blah so divisive these days" and they clearly think they're taking, like, the neutral middle "reasonable" line.

the "argument to moderation" logical fallacy is probably the one that drives me the most up the wall.

fully vaxxed motorcyclist here.

Is the GOP really such a collection of morons that they don't realize their antivax rhetoric stands a good chance of decimating their own constituency? Or are they just going full Jim Jones at this point?

The biggest disconnect in the whole "I don't want to live in fear" mentality is also feeling like you need to take a handgun to buy eggs at Kroger.

"i don't want to live in fear"

*very obviously lives in state of complete fear and paranoia*

Is the GOP really such a collection of morons that they don't realize their antivax rhetoric stands a good chance of decimating their own constituency? Or are they just going full Jim Jones at this point?

― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, August 23, 2021 11:16 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

there's a pretty solid chance that covid deaths materially affected the election outcome in wisconsin and arizona in 2020.

so, the short answer is...yes

I smoke AND ride motorcycles.

lol sorry bulb. not all motorcyclists!

okay so the analogy’s not perfect xpost

but i feel like the impulse is similar. and it’s very attractive. you want to live in a society that’s perfectly safe and everybody tells you what to do all the time go right ahead. but me i want to LIVE my LIFE. yeah maybe i need to pack a gun sometimes. that’s cause life gets fuckin real and raw (i’ve heard) and i don’t mind dealing with it head on. yeah I’M A LITTLE BIT OF A BADASS.

like that’s some deep down identity shit that “epidemiology” isn’t going to make a dent in

there's a pretty solid chance that covid deaths materially affected the election outcome in wisconsin and arizona in 2020.

I'm curious because I recently moved to WI and not trying to be overtly interrogative, but do you have a source for this?

i do not!

"i don't want to live in fear"

*very obviously lives in state of complete fear and paranoia*

― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Monday, August 23, 2021 12:19 PM (ten minutes ago)

comirnaty dread

Posse Comirnaty

in fact, i was overestimating the number of covid deaths in wisconsin, which is currently at 8.6k (would've been many less in november).

xps

it's probably a mistake to assume significantly more Republican voters died of this come Nov 2020 when nobody was vaccinated but I wouldn't be surprised if this winds up swinging a close one next year

Be nice if DeSantis died of COVID

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/239723722_10158204553366500_4675306312778919555_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=IF27F_o3GnIAX_cq942&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=3799ae3af608fb7d6159c0cbeee0fe17&oe=614871CB

I'm sorry. A mod can remove that if it's triggering anyone. It came up in my feed yesterday posted by someone who only posts like once a year and that was her yearly contribution.

That's exactly what I'm talking about

It doesn't matter that it's utterly untrue, it feels true