outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

should have clarified that the 400 total for unvaxxed was arbitrary total I came up with, but the total for vaxxed is directly in comparison to that total

Yeah, that's helpful. Also worth thinking about the cumulative effect of the vaccine at reducing spread - still very strong even at the "reduced" efficacy.

And also, I think there's a danger of assuming that the vaccine "fades" or "wears off" over time, as though it will just continue to get lower and eventually go to zero. As I understand it from my more medically-educated friends, that's not what happens, because while antibodies may wane, T-Cell immunity is very long lasting.

Sure, I get it, we are also eager for the vaccine to be ready for kids, and we are limiting "non-essential" indoor activities outside of school - planning to keep playdates outdoors, not eat inside at restaurants, only have family in the house for the most part etc. Although will probably let the kids each keep their one indoor sport, it does them too much physical and mental good to give up.

Yeah, this is exactly what we are doing. He's back to playing baseball and will be starting up fall ball this weekend, but this winter is going to be tough. He really wants to play flag football this winter but the indoor location for it hasn't exactly been great about enforcing masks, given their social media feeds and things I've heard from other parents. It's going to be tough if we have to take sports away from him all winter.

The medical provider for the Washington County Detention Center in Fayetteville, Arkansas, has been using ivermectin to treat detainees who've contracted Covid-19, despite FDA warnings not to use the drug to treat the disease. https://t.co/dP5ByGgp7P

— Greg Leding (@GregLeding) August 25, 2021

fucking Christ

First, you're in jail. Then, you have covid. Now, some quack is feeding you horse pills. Triple whammy.

Speaking of Ivermectin, here's a disgusting thread for any masochists out there

The horse dewormer Facebook group rules pic.twitter.com/x16od5KDta

— Michael Parks (@Cuthpaste) August 24, 2021

i know some of these are fake but are the people with worms just drinking from puddles all the time? wtf.

they're going to lose and it will be great

NEW: NYC's largest police union plans to sue if COVID vaccine is mandated for NYPD.

"If the City attempts to impose a vaccine mandate on PBA members, we will take legal action to defend our members' right to make such personal medical decisions." https://t.co/r6SKTDPazc

— Craig McCarthy (@createcraig) August 25, 2021

Shortest lawsuit in history.

how about a single injection of shut the fuck up

ok someone posted this regarding the "worms" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_worms and i have actually encountered this fake worm thing before (not mine, just some detox person on the internet)

might need to do some tests to rule out morgellons

I know its fun to dunk on these guys but there seems to be a scientific study suggesting it works?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/

Conclusions:
Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

there are actually docs concern-trolling that invermectin obviously has other uses besides horses and cows and that misinformation that it's just a horse/cow pill is going to make us all look dishonest and drive these people to anti-vaxxers.

and suddenly it's no mystery why we're so bad at messaging campaigns.

if it works they should say that it doesn't work while at the same time make it available via antivax 'back channels' on Facebook so the real antivax heads can order it and get some level of protection while still being able to whine about a government cover-up

that study frogbs shared was heavily based on an Egyptian study that was retracted for plagiarism.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

One of the authors of the meta-analysis, statistician Andrew Bryant at Newcastle University, UK, says that his team corresponded with Elgazzar before publishing the work to clarify some data. “We had no reason to doubt the integrity of Professor Elgazzar,” he said in an e-mail. He added that in a pandemic setting, no one can reanalyse all of the raw data from patient records when writing a review. Bryant went on to say that his group will revise the conclusion if investigations find the study to be unreliable. However, even if the study is removed, the meta-analysis would still show that ivermectin causes a major reduction in deaths from COVID-19, he says.

also, many of the people are taking the animal-form of ivermectin and not the human version used in the study

and there's this:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/30/what-know-about-pro-ivermectin-groups-study-toutin/

Surprised these yo-yos didn't whip up some fake-ass COVID blocker that was cheaper and more easily accessible, like snorting crushed Flintstones vitamins or something.

I heard Beta Blockers are why VHS became the dominant format in the 80s, is that correct

lol, yes, such is my understanding

Even mild COVID-19 likely can spark ‘significant heart damage,’ Washington cardiologist says

I can see why ppl might push back against the horse thing. The tabloid thing of calling ketamine a horse tranquilliser was always so dumb - it’s also a people tranquilliser! It’s used to sedate children! Using it recreationally might not be a great idea but the fact that it’s used on horses is not really relevant to anything

If this drug (also a people drug) were effective to treat covid the same would apply except that these people are literally buying it from vets

xp it's really not that useful to report the anecdotal findings of a single doctor. Certainly it should be explored further, you just can't conclude much from it.

come on, the doctor in the article clearly says "more studies need to be done", they were trying to state that even mild cases can activate heart conditions that may have been congenital or previously undiscovered due to its ability to create severe inflammation. I don't think this is that controversial of a statement, and it's a statement from a doctor that is seeing things, is worried about it, and asking the appropriate professionals to study it more. i have no issues with the article.

Is it worthy of thought and further research, as well as a reasonably well written article? Absolutely. Is the headline going to go viral and spark perhaps irrational fears prior to said further research and study? Also absolutely. The latter is the problem.

Problem is the doctor themselves has no control over that. like if you tell a doctor "we want to interview you for a piece we're doing", they probably have no idea what the headline is going to be when they sit down with you. so I put that on the copy editors.

my point was more that the body of evidence regarding unforeseen long term effects of even mild initial COVID cases is increasing rapidly

(to counter the tiring and privileged skepticism of man alive, JiC, et al in this thread from hell which I have once again unbookmarked)

these people are literally buying it from vets

― siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:41 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i chuckled at this because it reminded me of mike from better call saul

xp - I'm not blaming the doctor at all! I'm blaming the clickbaity nature of headline writing and the media. They haven't done anything "wrong", per se, but this is exactly the shitty headline that stokes concern before it's worth stoking.

it was just local news stealing someone else's interview anyway, it links to it and it's pretty interesting

xpost yeah i was replying more to man alive than you, sorry about that. mostly seemed like man alive was trying to sweep the news under the rug.

Oh it's def worth studying for sure. I just get frustrated by the doom and gloom headlines that fly around Twitter before they need to really spark anything.

here's something else that i'd missed. the likelihood that immunity conferred from actually contracting COVID lasts a very long time, perhaps for life.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01557-z

ok someone posted this regarding the "worms" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_worms and i have actually encountered this fake worm thing before (not mine, just some detox person on the internet)

― criminally negligible (harbl),

a diet of worms

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/How_to_Eat_Fried_Worms.jpg

I know its fun to dunk on these guys but there seems to be a scientific study suggesting it works?

There were also studies suggesting hydroxychloroquine works. There are studies suggesting vitamin D supplementation works. Whatever you're interested in, there will be some studies suggesting it works. I myself have to problem with giving people ivermectin (or HCQ, or vitamin D, or zinc poppers, or whatever) if they get sick -- where I have a problem is with encouraging people to forgo much more dramatically and clearly effective interventions like vaccination because they think ivermectin will take care of the problem. Like, if ivermectin reduced deaths in COVID patients by 30% (which I see no reason to believe), that would be GREAT, but also -- it's still much better to be vaccinated and not get hospitalized with COVID, the two are unrelated!

re the heart issues:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/health/covid-myocarditis-vaccine.html

the first time i ever heard of myocarditis was when red sox pitcher eduardo rodriguez was out for a year with it after getting covid

Yeah there's definitely some exaggeration going on in the dunking on conservatives for the invermectin thing, but only some. I agree people look a little like assholes for making it sound like people are just randomly taking sheep dewormer with no basis, but at the same time, it's a bad idea, especially actually taking the version designed for livestock.

This is straight up Hee Haw dumb shit. My dad has a large stash of veterinary Ivermectin and he was speculating as to its use for Covid a year ago. “That stuff works. I bet it would take care of Covid or anything else you’ve got.” As soon as this became news I immediately knew the mentality where this is coming from.

Thankfully he was smart enough to get vaccinated.

they kind of *are* randomly taking it because as of now, there isn't a respected study showing its benefits, and we don't just randomly take any medicine against other diseases just for shits 'n giggles.

at least with choloroquine there was temporarily thought to be a benefit, even amongst physicians, and the FDA.

every time I hear someone talk about how little studying there's been of the vaccine, I just think of all of the shit I have done/still do for my study, all the blood they've taken/will take, the safety calls, the surveys, the in-person visits/swabs, and get really mad at how stupid people are.

they have enough of my blood to basically make another me and they've tested all of it. and will continue to do so for another year. meanwhile, these same people will tout a meta-analysis of pre-print studies, some of which have been discredited, as ample basis to take Ivermectin.

For people with livestock, Ivermectin is just like “rub some ‘tussin on it.”

It is the duct tape of animal medicine.

Lol

The very same people who say that there hasn't been enough study of the vaccines are those who will shove ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine into every currently unobstructed orifice based on zero peer-reviewed science and testing done by someone their cousin's friend knows.

Shocking absolutely no one at all, Vice President of the GOP Death Cult Abbott bans local vaccine mandates.

hospitalizations down ~330 from yesterday to today in FL, ICU beds increased 61.

promising. hopefully they're not deaths obv.

U.S. hospitalizations back up over 100K

More than 100,000 people are hospitalized with covid-19 in the United States, a level not seen since Jan. 30 — when coronavirus vaccines were not widely available — as the country grapples with the delta variant’s spread.

Hospitalizations are highest across the South, where every state in the region has a higher portion of its population currently hospitalized with covid-19 than the national level, according to a Washington Post database. More than 17,000 people are hospitalized with covid-19 in Florida, which has the most hospitalizations for covid-19 of any state in the country, followed by Texas, which has more than 14,000.

i know what you're thinking - where is the big dog biden going to hunt? right? that's what you were thinking. where is big dog biden going to hunt tonight?

DeSantis reiterated on Fox News that he and other Republican governors were “absolutely going to stand in Biden’s way,” underscoring the likelihood that feuds over pandemic restrictions will remain at the forefront of the nation’s political discourse.

“He thinks he can attack Florida, sometimes he attacks Texas, because we’re Republican states,” he said. “But I can tell you, that dog’s not going to hunt down here.”