outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Even mild COVID-19 likely can spark ‘significant heart damage,’ Washington cardiologist says

I can see why ppl might push back against the horse thing. The tabloid thing of calling ketamine a horse tranquilliser was always so dumb - it’s also a people tranquilliser! It’s used to sedate children! Using it recreationally might not be a great idea but the fact that it’s used on horses is not really relevant to anything

If this drug (also a people drug) were effective to treat covid the same would apply except that these people are literally buying it from vets

xp it's really not that useful to report the anecdotal findings of a single doctor. Certainly it should be explored further, you just can't conclude much from it.

come on, the doctor in the article clearly says "more studies need to be done", they were trying to state that even mild cases can activate heart conditions that may have been congenital or previously undiscovered due to its ability to create severe inflammation. I don't think this is that controversial of a statement, and it's a statement from a doctor that is seeing things, is worried about it, and asking the appropriate professionals to study it more. i have no issues with the article.

Is it worthy of thought and further research, as well as a reasonably well written article? Absolutely. Is the headline going to go viral and spark perhaps irrational fears prior to said further research and study? Also absolutely. The latter is the problem.

Problem is the doctor themselves has no control over that. like if you tell a doctor "we want to interview you for a piece we're doing", they probably have no idea what the headline is going to be when they sit down with you. so I put that on the copy editors.

my point was more that the body of evidence regarding unforeseen long term effects of even mild initial COVID cases is increasing rapidly

(to counter the tiring and privileged skepticism of man alive, JiC, et al in this thread from hell which I have once again unbookmarked)

these people are literally buying it from vets

― siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:41 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i chuckled at this because it reminded me of mike from better call saul

xp - I'm not blaming the doctor at all! I'm blaming the clickbaity nature of headline writing and the media. They haven't done anything "wrong", per se, but this is exactly the shitty headline that stokes concern before it's worth stoking.

it was just local news stealing someone else's interview anyway, it links to it and it's pretty interesting

xpost yeah i was replying more to man alive than you, sorry about that. mostly seemed like man alive was trying to sweep the news under the rug.

Oh it's def worth studying for sure. I just get frustrated by the doom and gloom headlines that fly around Twitter before they need to really spark anything.

here's something else that i'd missed. the likelihood that immunity conferred from actually contracting COVID lasts a very long time, perhaps for life.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01557-z

ok someone posted this regarding the "worms" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_worms and i have actually encountered this fake worm thing before (not mine, just some detox person on the internet)

― criminally negligible (harbl),

a diet of worms

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/How_to_Eat_Fried_Worms.jpg

I know its fun to dunk on these guys but there seems to be a scientific study suggesting it works?

There were also studies suggesting hydroxychloroquine works. There are studies suggesting vitamin D supplementation works. Whatever you're interested in, there will be some studies suggesting it works. I myself have to problem with giving people ivermectin (or HCQ, or vitamin D, or zinc poppers, or whatever) if they get sick -- where I have a problem is with encouraging people to forgo much more dramatically and clearly effective interventions like vaccination because they think ivermectin will take care of the problem. Like, if ivermectin reduced deaths in COVID patients by 30% (which I see no reason to believe), that would be GREAT, but also -- it's still much better to be vaccinated and not get hospitalized with COVID, the two are unrelated!

re the heart issues:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/health/covid-myocarditis-vaccine.html

the first time i ever heard of myocarditis was when red sox pitcher eduardo rodriguez was out for a year with it after getting covid

Yeah there's definitely some exaggeration going on in the dunking on conservatives for the invermectin thing, but only some. I agree people look a little like assholes for making it sound like people are just randomly taking sheep dewormer with no basis, but at the same time, it's a bad idea, especially actually taking the version designed for livestock.

This is straight up Hee Haw dumb shit. My dad has a large stash of veterinary Ivermectin and he was speculating as to its use for Covid a year ago. “That stuff works. I bet it would take care of Covid or anything else you’ve got.” As soon as this became news I immediately knew the mentality where this is coming from.

Thankfully he was smart enough to get vaccinated.

they kind of *are* randomly taking it because as of now, there isn't a respected study showing its benefits, and we don't just randomly take any medicine against other diseases just for shits 'n giggles.

at least with choloroquine there was temporarily thought to be a benefit, even amongst physicians, and the FDA.

every time I hear someone talk about how little studying there's been of the vaccine, I just think of all of the shit I have done/still do for my study, all the blood they've taken/will take, the safety calls, the surveys, the in-person visits/swabs, and get really mad at how stupid people are.

they have enough of my blood to basically make another me and they've tested all of it. and will continue to do so for another year. meanwhile, these same people will tout a meta-analysis of pre-print studies, some of which have been discredited, as ample basis to take Ivermectin.

For people with livestock, Ivermectin is just like “rub some ‘tussin on it.”

It is the duct tape of animal medicine.

Lol

The very same people who say that there hasn't been enough study of the vaccines are those who will shove ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine into every currently unobstructed orifice based on zero peer-reviewed science and testing done by someone their cousin's friend knows.

Shocking absolutely no one at all, Vice President of the GOP Death Cult Abbott bans local vaccine mandates.

hospitalizations down ~330 from yesterday to today in FL, ICU beds increased 61.

promising. hopefully they're not deaths obv.

U.S. hospitalizations back up over 100K

More than 100,000 people are hospitalized with covid-19 in the United States, a level not seen since Jan. 30 — when coronavirus vaccines were not widely available — as the country grapples with the delta variant’s spread.

Hospitalizations are highest across the South, where every state in the region has a higher portion of its population currently hospitalized with covid-19 than the national level, according to a Washington Post database. More than 17,000 people are hospitalized with covid-19 in Florida, which has the most hospitalizations for covid-19 of any state in the country, followed by Texas, which has more than 14,000.

i know what you're thinking - where is the big dog biden going to hunt? right? that's what you were thinking. where is big dog biden going to hunt tonight?

DeSantis reiterated on Fox News that he and other Republican governors were “absolutely going to stand in Biden’s way,” underscoring the likelihood that feuds over pandemic restrictions will remain at the forefront of the nation’s political discourse.

“He thinks he can attack Florida, sometimes he attacks Texas, because we’re Republican states,” he said. “But I can tell you, that dog’s not going to hunt down here.”

I wish Uncle Joe would take a strong + unwavering stance against driving knitting needles into one's eyes.

My suspicion is that no one has said "that dog won't hunt" in the last 20 years except politicians trying to show their folksiness and differentiate themselves from those yankee libs

i believe he was speaking at the Villages, where the biggest racists in Florida like to get together and decompose together for their final years

fun fact: the vaccination rate in the villages is among the highest in the country https://covidactnow.org/us/metro/the-villages_fl/?s=22131139.

the median age of that county is FIVE years older than the next oldest-county in the U.S.(!!)

In 2018, the median age for both sexes in The Villages metropolitan statistical area is 67.4, with this being 29 years older than a typical American, and five years older than the median age of residents in the next-oldest county in the United States, which is on the Hawaiian island of Molokai.[23]

well i wasn't going to say anything but there was a lawyer i knew (NOT old, like around my age) who did this repeatedly in his closing arguments to a jury. he would say "i'm from a south, and we have this saying..." where "the south" = fairfax. embarrassing!

juror foreman, i ask you to consider this: where will be dogs be hunting tonight? where will we allow the big dogs to hunt, tonight, here in "the south"? and i submit to you this morning, the dogs will not be hunting here tonight, if you make the right decision. my defendant is not guilty -- let's keep the people in the south safe from dogs. i rest my case

tipsy I think this is your work? from Compass?

re: whether schools are a vector for spread, if kids really get it, etc

Knox County Schools reported a dramatic leap in COVID-19 cases on Wednesday, with cases among students nearly doubling overnight and staff infections soaring.

Active cases among students rose from 276 on Tuesday to 534 on Wednesday — the highest number of the entire pandemic. The school system reported only two cases among staff members on Tuesday, but one day later said 67 staff had active cases. The number of students with active cases is more than twice the number in December when the school system shut down in-person instruction for the remainder of the fall semester.

In an email to students’ families on Wednesday, Superintendent Bob Thomas indicated the surge in numbers is a result of the system’s collaboration with the Knox County Health Department in identifying COVID-19 cases involving students and staff. He wrote that the joint effort would provide greater transparency and help the Health Department with contact tracing.

“Please note that this will result in a significant increase in the number of reported active cases on our dashboard,” Thomas wrote.

Thomas also clarified that while the district can’t move entire schools to online learning — because of state restrictions — isolated or quarantined students will be able to complete assignments through the system’s virtual platform duringthe time they cannot attend classes in person.

Meanwhile, Children's Hospital of East Tennessee released its COVID-19 patient count for the past week on Wednesday. The hospital has treated 11 minors for COVID during the past week — four aged 0-5 years, one aged 6-11 years and six age 12 and older. On Wednesday, four COVID cases were inpatients and one was in the intensive care unit.

well i wasn't going to say anything but there was a lawyer i knew (NOT old, like around my age) who did this repeatedly in his closing arguments to a jury. he would say "i'm from a south, and we have this saying..." where "the south" = fairfax. embarrassing!

― criminally negligible (harbl), Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:32 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer became like ten times funnier to me when I realized how many trial lawyers actually pull this kind of schtick

a) that's authentically good
b) the median age in the Villages is incredibly high, over 70 I think, so I'm not sure whether that statistic reflects high compliance; I'll bet there are tons of places where if you took a sample of population with age distribution like that of the Villages, you'd have well above 80% with at least one dose.

xp OK what Karl said

The Villages can boast of, after Miami-Dade, the highest jab rate in Florida.

xp yes i know. congrats on not being surprised?

Reading about ivermectin is kind of fascinating, not because I'm uncovering government secrets but rather just getting a broad view of how the scientific process works. Also kind of fun to see so many stories of anti-vaxx chuds literally shitting their intestines out in the supermarket because of this stuff

Ultimately the conclusion seems to be: yes, there are studies suggesting that it works, but the vast majority of these seem to have issues in their sample sizes and/or quality of their sample. The most notorious study in favor of it was thrown out for falsifying data. There is currently one large-scale study that recently concluded which tested a variety of approved drugs, unfortunately ivermectin was shown to be ineffective (a different drug showed some promise, however). The bigger issue is that the antiviral properties of ivermectin shown invitro require levels of the drug which you can't really achieve in a human being, unless you're giving them like 15x the recommended dose. It doesn't bind to the cell proteins well. So yes, it's plausible that this could help, but thus far its not really borne out by good data

The part that pisses me off is the idea that the government is "hiding" these studies, or burying/falsifying them because they don't want Covid to be cured by a cheap drug...never mind the fact that poorer countries are already trying this on a large scale, never mind that the US itself has dumped a ton of money into research of existing drugs treating Covid, it's just insane. My last email from my brother ended "good luck with your experimental gene therapy...if Fauci said it's fine it must be okay"

"suggesting that it works"

But even then "works" is going to mean something like "reduces duration or severity of symptoms to some measurable degree," not "cures COVID"

Like, who is out there saying "Who needs a vaccine, with ivermectin I'll be out of the hospital after 4 days instead of 6"

My last email from my brother ended "good luck with your experimental gene therapy...if Fauci said it's fine it must be okay"

BREAKING: ILX's "frogbs" now owns U.S. COVID response, will be responsible for any consequences hereafter

i took frogbs's advice and consumed 15x the recommended dose of ivermectin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBCJhNiKhFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsrFO1bUQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ5_1XRPL0I

But even then "works" is going to mean something like "reduces duration or severity of symptoms to some measurable degree," not "cures COVID"

I **think** the line of reasoning is, Covid will always be around (probably true), so its better to achieve herd immunity by exposing everyone and finding a reliable treatment to reduce symptoms rather than use experimental vaccines (citation needed), as these vaccines cause the virus to mutate uncontrollably and modify your cells and suddenly instead of praying to Jesus you're praying to...**record scratch** OBAMA!??

despite being completely incorrect it's kind of the pro-vaxx argument too, most vaccinated people I know are just saying "fuck it, Covid is inevitable at this point, I'm not punting my social life anymore, at least now if I get it I probably won't get too sick".

Like, who is out there saying "Who needs a vaccine, with ivermectin I'll be out of the hospital after 4 days instead of 6"

I am from rural Wisconsin, I can give you plenty of names if you like

fwiw, there's good reason to believe that the delta mutation was induced by antibody therapies (e.g. regeneron), not any vaccine. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/850

Oh, how sad:

https://www.wpr.org/report-state-sen-andre-jacque-breathing-ventilator-after-hospitalized-covid-19

Christ on a crutch, I remember when the antibody therapies had maybe the MOST hope for a cure or at least some relief for the suffering patients, probably oh last spring? And now it turns out we actually sowed the seeds of our next and larger crisis, the delta variant, by exploring them. Great. This timeline is truly cursed.