But even then "works" is going to mean something like "reduces duration or severity of symptoms to some measurable degree," not "cures COVID"
I **think** the line of reasoning is, Covid will always be around (probably true), so its better to achieve herd immunity by exposing everyone and finding a reliable treatment to reduce symptoms rather than use experimental vaccines (citation needed), as these vaccines cause the virus to mutate uncontrollably and modify your cells and suddenly instead of praying to Jesus you're praying to...**record scratch** OBAMA!??
despite being completely incorrect it's kind of the pro-vaxx argument too, most vaccinated people I know are just saying "fuck it, Covid is inevitable at this point, I'm not punting my social life anymore, at least now if I get it I probably won't get too sick".
Like, who is out there saying "Who needs a vaccine, with ivermectin I'll be out of the hospital after 4 days instead of 6"
I am from rural Wisconsin, I can give you plenty of names if you like
― frogbs, Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
fwiw, there's good reason to believe that the delta mutation was induced by antibody therapies (e.g. regeneron), not any vaccine. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/850
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
Oh, how sad:
https://www.wpr.org/report-state-sen-andre-jacque-breathing-ventilator-after-hospitalized-covid-19
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link
Christ on a crutch, I remember when the antibody therapies had maybe the MOST hope for a cure or at least some relief for the suffering patients, probably oh last spring? And now it turns out we actually sowed the seeds of our next and larger crisis, the delta variant, by exploring them. Great. This timeline is truly cursed.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link
tipsy I think this is your work? from Compass?
Yep, that's ours. We are wrapping up the third week of the school year here and it is basically chaos. COVID numbers are huge, contact tracing is so slow it's almost useless, there is zero guidance about whether or how people are supposed to quarantine their kids if they're exposed (assuming they're even notified), parents are setting up their own voluntary contact tracing Facebook groups to try to keep track of who's tested positive, the school system keeps saying there are all sorts of things the state won't let them do (like moving to virtual school, reporting school-level data) that then state officials come out and say, "No, you can do that if you want to, mostly, probably." Basically no one in authority taking any responsibility at all. A big-ass mess. And totally different from last year, when they had all kinds of protocols in place and actually did a pretty good of following them. They just gave up under the endless pressure of the anti-mask parents and Republican legislators.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
Basically no one in authority taking any responsibility at all.
It's easy to see where their reluctance comes from. When those people do take responsibility, at a minimum they get yelled at a lot, but the levels of harassment can get much more serious, including harassment by people in even higher levels of authority, like state legislators and governors.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
Fauci said in the WH press thing yesterday that they're seeing 70-80% reduction in chance of hospitalization when at-risk people get monoclonal antibody treatment early in the course of infection -- that's pretty good and Fauci was kind of complaining that this stuff is underutilized and certainly I had no idea we had a treatment that good. Also, there are a bunch of these treatments from a bunch of companies, not just Regeneron's, which I also didn't know.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 26 August 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
a buddy of mine turned up positive and at the one week mark of a serious illness they called him in for the monoclonal thing and he was markedly better a day later.
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 August 2021 04:05 (two years ago) link
Lord.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/27/florida-woman-covid-dead-husband/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 August 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
"She plans to finish the home the couple were remodeling in honor of her husband. That’s what he would have wanted her to do, she said.
“That was Ron’s dream,” Lisa told The Post."
the banality of Ron and Lisa
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
Ron from the afterlife: Lisa! Lisa! Can you hear me?!
Lisa: Yes Ron, oh my god, thank you!
Ron: I don't have much time.
Lisa: I miss you Ron! Ron, I love you!
Ron: Lisa...please....finish the remodeling...I don't have much time
Lisa: Ron, wait, don't go! Wait!
Ron: ...finish the remodeling...
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link
I like how that Washington Post article (for me at least) is filled with interstitial ads for a t-shirt that says "I'm pretty confident my last words will be 'well shit, that didn't work'"
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link
More like:
Ron: Lisa...please....get vaccinated...I don't have much time
Lisa: Ron, wait, don't go! I need to know what tile to pick!
Ron: ...vaccinated...
Lisa: I'll finish the remodeling
― Taliban! (PBKR), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:11 (two years ago) link
Neither Ron, who died of covid-19 complications, nor Lisa had been vaccinated, Lisa said. Both had agreed they would wait longer to schedule their shots. Lisa rarely got sick and left her house only for work, and Ron, who was in charge of running the couple’s errands during the pandemic, always wore his mask and stayed away from large crowds, Lisa said.“Both of us thought that [the vaccine] came out so fast. How could they have done so much testing on it? I was just cautious about it,” she said. “It’s not that I was against vaccines.”The couple, who met through a Christian dating website
“Both of us thought that [the vaccine] came out so fast. How could they have done so much testing on it? I was just cautious about it,” she said. “It’s not that I was against vaccines.”
The couple, who met through a Christian dating website
― frogbs, Friday, 27 August 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
Lisa rarely got sick and left her house only for work, and Ron, who was in charge of running the couple’s errands during the pandemic, always wore his mask and stayed away from large crowds, Lisa said.
sorry to bring this whole thing up again, but this is pretty much an exact description of what my mom said, and says, about her and my dad's habits before they got covid
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
and because they got sick anyway, it proves that the whole thing is a hoax and vaccines don't work and everyone is going to get it
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
but sorry - it's not real people that think that. that's only a small percentage of people. the vast majority of unvaccinated people are incredibly smart people that have many good reasons for not getting vaccinated. the "total fucking christian idiot" percentage is so very small
too much attention is focused on the total fucking christian idiots. instead we need to be focused on joe carwash, who just doesn't know about medicine and can be convinced using reason and patience
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
and how fucking true is it that Lisa "left her house only for work" and Ron "always" wore a mask
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
Joe Carwash is running for the House in Ohio, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 August 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
I’ve heard that one too, from an aunt - “I never really get sick”. Stupendous logic, good luck with that.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 August 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
xp - Right, and did Lisa wear a mask at work, or no, because "work is safe, right"? So much left unsaid.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
Going to work is surely a massive risk factor, depending on your job/ how you commute?
Various people in my family think that "just popping" somewhere is scientifically proven to be zero risk, compared with the only alternative which is shutting yourself in a crowded room full of coughing people, which is to be avoided. And if you avoid doing that you should pat yourself on the back and allow yourself a couple of 'popping out to's a day
― kinder, Friday, 27 August 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
you'll never know, because they've been lying for years about absolutely everything
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
I basically never have an upset stomach. (chugs gallon bottle of raw sewage)
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link
I've never been on fire in my life. (douses self with kerosene and dances around wildly-flaming barrel)
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 August 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link
"I'm a good Christian!!"
*hates poor people, everyone who isn't white*
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
whatever. what's the point? what is the point? there is no point. i have no point. sorry
yeah I realize how close this must hit for you, I'm sorry man
― frogbs, Friday, 27 August 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link
“I did what I thought was best for me,” Lisa told The Post. “Even if you don’t agree with me that I didn’t get the shot earlier, you don’t say, ‘I bet you wish you would have gotten the vaccine so your husband wouldn’t be dead.’ ”
on the contrary...
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link
xp
oh, it's ok. i mean, i don't have to read this thread. but...it's everywhere. it's really hard to have a normal day and just not think about it. and it feels worse than just having something happen that is also happening elsewhere. like, if my dad died in an auto accident, and having to be in cars and drive in cars after that. that would be bad. but it's worse, because it's preventable and it can be stopped and there is very much a correct answer and a wrong answer (for the vast majority of people - I'm not talking about people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or aren't cognitively equipped to understand covid). it's really hard to just be surrounded by news all the time about people that are doing the exact same thing my parents did, and that my mom is still doing today. it's just fucking obnoxious. i really want to scream
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
imagine hating tucker carlson even MORE than you already do. maybe that's the best way to describe it
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
“I did what I thought was best for me,” Lisa told The Post. “Even if you don’t agree with me that I didn’t get the shot earlier, you don’t say, ‘I bet you wish you would have gotten the vaccine so your husband wouldn’t be dead.’
irl, the idiots just don't say anything at all to the survivor. they have nothing, and then they just go back to what they were doing like nothing happened, learning nothing at all
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
sorry, too real. this is what i'm like during my 1 hour of sobriety in the morning when i wake up. it's hard! not trying to harsh the mellow or anything -- i often bump this thread with total covid idiots. you have to, sometimes. or i have to, at least. to pretend it's not there is even more maddening
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
and the refrain to focus attention on the people that can actually change their minds, not to "waste time" on the lost covid idiots -- it makes a lot of sense on some levels. on a policy level, on a national level, for public officials, for famous people who have influence. but it's frustrating for normal people to hear that. because what can i do? what can i fucking do? does anyone ever listen to me? i can't even get my fucking mom to get vaccinated, even when i just straight up disown myself over it.
as i type that, my mom responds to my text from the other day. i hadn't spoken to her since just after, early april. i sent her stuff the other day that was basically just like "why are you doing this to me? who are you? why are you doing this to me? what the fuck is wrong with you. please. please. please." i had better arguments last year, trust me. at this point i'm just reduced to real caveman-style, grunting and rolling on the floor kind of stuff. her response:
"I am keeping a close eye on health...know to test for covid at any awareness of even a cold, know where to get early treatment meds right away, and had a positive t-cell response from lab done 2 wks ago."
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
keep in mind, by "keeping a close eye on health", she also means "i have a secret doctor i know through my wealthy sister that is willing to prescribe me Ivermectin"
i'm not even fucking joking
― professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
ivermectin?youvermectin!let's all just have a mectin!
― kinder, Friday, 27 August 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
I cut my finger one time and someone offered me a band-aid and I said no thanks and choked down a bottle of deworming pills instead
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
I'm so sorry, KM. That you're able to participate in the gallows humor is a healthy sign although I'm sure it doesn't make it any less terrible.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
How could they have done so much testing on it?
They test it by giving it to tens of thousands of people and carefully watching what happens. They've now given it to hundreds of millions of people and watched what happened. Turns out it's very safe.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:37 (two years ago) link
A friend told me that hours after having the AZ jab, he was sitting at the dining table, when he suddenly projectile vomited pints of black blood. Over the next 4 days, he suffered bleeding from his rectum, had blood in his semen and came up in bruises all over his body.— Jacqui Deevoy (@JacquiDeevoy1) August 27, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
Bleeding from the ass, vomiting enough blood to kill you but still finding a way to bust a nut.
Life… finds a way.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:39 (two years ago) link
perfect:
Freelance journalist (since 1985) on a mission to get the truth into the mainstream. If you have a story, please send me a private message.
I thought the same but I’m just reporting what he said.— Jacqui Deevoy (@JacquiDeevoy1) August 27, 2021
― criminally negligible (harbl), Friday, 27 August 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
my friend took tylenol and said he saw a vision of C Thomas Howell on horseback naked screaming "The Beatles are coming"
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 August 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link
Why was your friend on horseback, you're not supposed to take tylenol in that situation, it says so on the bottle.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 August 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link
Ah grift. It's a thing, you know.
https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 August 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link
Separately, this is...quite a thread.
Friends. I have joined ivermectin groups on Facebook. They are literally shitting their pants in grocery stores. pic.twitter.com/vwvHPtjq9e— Ryan Graney👩🏻🦰 (@RyanEGraney) August 26, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 August 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link
i hope this teacher gets fired
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e2.htm?s_cid=mm7035e2_w
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 27 August 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link
U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson, of Texas, died of a treatable illness because the Covid crisis left him without an available ICU bed even though he lives 3 houses down from an emergency room and 60 miles away from some of the greatest healthcare facilities in the world. pic.twitter.com/TK6sOO77ul— David Begnaud (@DavidBegnaud) August 27, 2021
xpost It's always fuckin' Marin County.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 August 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link