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Just finished an exhausting 7 days of treating patients in the ICU in Southern California. Many patients admitted for COVID-19 - none vaccinated. Intubating on average 1-2 a day because they don't have the strength to continue breathing on their own.

— Roger Seheult, MD (@RogerSeheult) August 30, 2021

What are their supplement routines? Do they have critical nutritional deficiencies? How often do they exercise? How is their sleep? Can we talk about that or is everything always about the vaccine?

— Luc Vareilles (@LucVareilles) September 1, 2021

ARE THEY DRINKING BULLETPROOF COFFEE AND IF NOT WHY NOT

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

Just started the countdown clock on the inevitable premature end of Luc Vareilles' life

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:04 (two years ago) link

FL's 7-day case average will fall below 20,000/day for the first time in a while. new reported cases today were 7k less than last Wednesday.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link

nice! Florida deserves a little bit of a breather before they start voluntarily building the next big wave of covid

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:09 (two years ago) link

you saw the story about the state playing around with the way it reports deaths?

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:09 (two years ago) link

oh yeah, known about that for a while. it's working too, DeSantis's minions are pointing out that we're only 36 in COVID deaths when we aren't.

can't trust data more recent than two weeks re: death in FL

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

For anybody who wants to reference:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253796898.html

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link

Think he's a bot— two retweets of a single account, no other activity.

Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link

nah, check his replies ("Tweets and Replies" at the top, rather than "Tweets"). he's very active. not a bot.

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:22 (two years ago) link

...over the last week at least. weird. who are these dumbasses

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link

hosts at hundreds of local stations have offered messages similar to those of Valentine, Farrel and Bernier.

Christ, how many local right wing radio hosts are there?!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link

I got hit up for donations for a high school classmate who died and left behind six children under ten. Unvaccinated, got the rural hospital to give him
Ivermectin, died before he could be transferred to a larger hospital.

Absolute fucking waste.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link

damn those "rural hospitals" to hell for giving patients ivermectin, as well as rogue doctors who do it (and then become sources for others through word of mouth among fools). not only are they doing what they're doing, but it also allows ivermectin idiots to counter with "then why do hospitals give it to people if it's so dangerous???" whenever someone tries to get them not to do it.

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link

it's their lead-in to the "but i did my research and it's better than vaccines!" part of the conversation, after which all hope is lost

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link

"but then why do hospitals give people snake oil then, if it's so dangerous?!?!"

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link

24-year-old Chloe Mrozak from Illinois was arrested after allegedly using this fake #COVID19 vaccine card to enter Hawaii and avoid travel restrictions — it says “Maderna” instead of “Moderna” @KITV4 pic.twitter.com/1EWp3eG3OR

— Tom George (@TheTomGeorge) September 1, 2021

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link

This’ll bring you to a pause

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619941/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link

a friend of a friend lives in chilliwack. rural bc, not far from vancouver. real anti-vax country. she is unvaccinated and 5 months pregnant. she has covid and is in a hospital's covid isolation ward. she has a chair and a bag to barf in. everyone who has a bed is moaning and groaning and pressing their help buttons constantly and she hasn't been able to stop crying the whole time she's been in there. she's posting all over social media about how serious covid is and to get vaccinated. i wonder if she'll reach anyone

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 22:14 (two years ago) link

It's been increasingly obvious since last summer that 'long covid' will create a large number of long term debilitated people who may never fully recover and may have a shorter lifespan as a result. What's not clear is just how big that number might be. Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? But medical systems worldwide are rather preoccupied right now with trying not to collapse entirely, so we'll have to wait a bit longer for answers to such questions.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link

🐦[24-year-old Chloe Mrozak from Illinois was arrested after allegedly using this fake #COVID19🕸 vaccine card to enter Hawaii and avoid travel restrictions — it says “Maderna” instead of “Moderna” @KITV4🕸 pic.twitter.com/1EWp3eG3OR🕸
— Tom George (@TheTomGeorge) September 1, 2021🕸]🐦


Ah a fan of 20th Century serialism. Kudos.

Derek and Clive Get the Horn Street (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 22:43 (two years ago) link

🐦[24-year-old Chloe Mrozak from Illinois was arrested after allegedly using this fake #COVID19🕸 vaccine card to enter Hawaii and avoid travel restrictions — it says “Maderna” instead of “Moderna” @KITV4🕸 pic.twitter.com/1EWp3eG3OR🕸
— Tom George (@TheTomGeorge) September 1, 2021🕸]🐦

What, me, vaccinate?

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 2 September 2021 00:02 (two years ago) link

bitch i'm maderna

criminally negligible (harbl), Thursday, 2 September 2021 00:36 (two years ago) link

Xpost to boring exactly what I thought of

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 September 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link

died and left behind six children under ten. Unvaccinated

opposed to any kind of prophylactic treatment, clearly

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 2 September 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link

Q: maderna what?
A: maderna wet hen

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Thursday, 2 September 2021 00:46 (two years ago) link

Was Colin Hanks being interviewed for the Muppet News Network?

Colin Hanks reacts to his brother Chet's recent comments about not wanting the vaccine: "That's one person's opinion." https://t.co/H4YB8fDng2 pic.twitter.com/4KvrapyRPi

— Variety (@Variety) September 2, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 September 2021 05:22 (two years ago) link

Democrats Refuse To Drink Water As It's Also Prescribed To Horseshttps://t.co/SWgBkrdnSF

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 2, 2021

some people say that conservatives aren't funny, I say they just have no idea how comedy works. they're bad at comedy the same way lizards are bad at basketball

frogbs, Friday, 3 September 2021 03:28 (two years ago) link

lmao

Guys I think you either need some basic information about what prescriptions are or what jokes are.

— Tom Wallach, MD (@md_wallach) September 3, 2021

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 04:19 (two years ago) link

It’s all folk medicine

siffleur’s mom (wins), Friday, 3 September 2021 05:51 (two years ago) link

I never see "COVID isn't real, death certificates are being falsified" anymore, is that still a popular line with the kooks?

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

The seem to have moved on from hydrochloroquine, too, now that ivermectin is the shiny new object.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link

there are definitely still people claiming COVID deaths are being overcounted, but those voices aren't as loud anymore.

they've pivoted to "you don't have a right to tell me not to live my life" without qualifiers now.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link

There were 2932 deaths yesterday.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link

~40% of that came from FL iirc. i think they released a big slate of deaths thanks to them reporting them by DOD so we get low death counts during the week and then BIG DUMPS end of week.

kind of insane the # of deaths we are seeing given therapeutics and vaccinations that exist. but with so many Governors who don't give a shit that handicap their states at the knees, not shocking.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link

Hoping The Villages are taking the brunt of this spike

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 September 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

There were 2932 deaths yesterday.

For comparison, the Swine Flu epidemic:

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3 - 89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086 - 402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868 - 18,306) in the United States due to the virus.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/coronavirus-booster-shots.html

WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public later this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

The two health leaders made their argument in a meeting with Jeffrey D. Zients, the White House pandemic coordinator. Several people who heard about the session said it was unclear how Mr. Zients responded. But he has insisted for months that the White House will always follow the advice of government scientists, wherever it leads.

Asked about the meeting, a White House spokesman on Friday said, “We always said we would follow the science, and this is all part of a process that is now underway,” adding that the administration was awaiting a “full review and approval” of booster shots by the F.D.A. as well as a recommendation from the C.D.C.

“When that approval and recommendation are made,” the spokesman, Chris Meagher, said, “we will be ready to implement the plan our nation’s top doctors developed so that we are staying ahead of this virus.”

Less than three weeks ago, Mr. Biden said that contingent on F.D.A. approval, the government planned to start offering boosters the week of Sept. 20 to adults who had received their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine at least eight months ago. That would include many health care workers and nursing home residents, as well as some people older than 65, who were generally the first to be vaccinated. Administration officials have said that recipients of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine would probably be offered an additional shot soon as well.

Mr. Biden cast the strategy as another tool that the nation needed to battle the highly contagious Delta variant, which has driven up infection rates, swamped hospitals with Covid-19 patients and is now leading to an average of more than 1,500 deaths a day. “The plan is for every adult to get a booster shot eight months after you got your second shot,” he said on Aug. 18, adding, “It will make you safer, and for longer. And it will help us end the pandemic faster.”

Like Mr. Biden, members of his pandemic response team have said that the plan depended on the F.D.A. and the C.D.C. authorizing the booster shots. Both Dr. Woodcock and Dr. Walensky publicly endorsed the strategy, as did the nation’s other senior health leaders.

Privately, Dr. Woodcock had argued that it was risky to set a firm date for a booster rollout before regulators had a chance to thoroughly review the data, some of which had yet to be submitted by the vaccine manufacturers, and decide whether shots were safe and necessary, according to several people familiar with the discussions.

And since the White House announced the booster plan in mid-August, they said, new hurdles appeared.

Among the reasons for delaying is that regulators need more time to decide the proper dosage for a possible third Moderna shot. The company’s application asking the F.D.A. to authorize a booster shot contains insufficient data, one federal official familiar with the process said. Other data expected from Johnson & Johnson has not been delivered.

Nor has the raw data that the F.D.A. has been seeking from Israel, which is already giving boosters to everyone 12 and older. Israeli officials say their data shows that the potency of Pfizer’s vaccine wanes over time against severe disease and hospitalization, but that a third shot bolsters protection significantly. The F.D.A. wants to see the underlying data, to make sure it backs up summaries that the Israeli government has provided.

Narrowing the booster plan could confuse the public and create a perception that federal vaccine policy is in some degree of disarray. But some public health experts will most likely welcome it.

They have been arguing strenuously that the administration lacks the data to justify a broad rollout of extra shots and should instead concentrate on vaccinating the roughly 25 percent of Americans who are eligible for shots but remain unprotected. And some have said that Biden aides wrongly cornered regulators by announcing a strategy before they could conduct a full review.
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Regulators are only beginning to review critical data that will help them determine if and how boosters should be given. Pfizer completed its booster application to the F.D.A. last week, officials said, and Moderna has just initiated its own.

This week, two of the F.D.A.’s top vaccine regulators announced that they would be leaving the agency this fall, apparently partly because of frustration with the administration’s booster plan. Dr. Marion Gruber, who directs the agency’s vaccines office, and her deputy, Dr. Philip Krause, have told people there was not nearly enough data to justify offering extra shots to the general population starting in just weeks.

More friction may lie ahead. On Sept. 17, the F.D.A.’s outside advisory committee is scheduled to publicly review Pfizer’s data supporting a booster shot. Even though Pfizer has asked the F.D.A. to approve booster doses for people 16 and up, the agency could decide to restrict who gets a booster. The C.D.C. and its outside advisory panel would also have to weigh in.

One key member of the F.D.A.’s advisory panel, Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, argues boosters are premature. “There is no compelling reason to get a third dose” now, he said in an interview on Thursday.

He said the administration had appeared to expect that the F.D.A. and the C.D.C. would rubber-stamp its booster timeline. “Bypassing and marginalizing those agencies led veterans who you need in this pandemic to leave the F.D.A.,” he said, referring to the departures of Dr. Gruber and Dr. Krause.

Various studies have shown that the potency of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines ebbs against infection over time, but suggest that the vaccines continue to offer robust protection against severe illness and hospitalization.

But Dr. Vivek Murthy, the surgeon general, said in an interview on Thursday that a few studies have suggested a dip in protection against severe disease over time. “Our feeling was that if we waited several more months we would see protection against hospitalizations and deaths break down,” he said.

In an interview published Thursday on WebMD.com, Dr. Woodcock echoed that view, saying that the trend of breakthrough infections has led health officials to believe at some point, “we are going to see hospitalizations and more serious disease” among fully vaccinated people. When that happens, she said, “we want to be ready” with the booster plan.

Some Americans are already getting booster shots ahead of F.D.A. approval: more than a million fully vaccinated people have received an additional dose since mid-August.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link

The #1 impediment to scamming a booster is having to pretend I'm a dumbass who didn't get vaccinated until now.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link

I do think Biden/White House fucked up on this one. There definitely was *not* sufficient data to suggest boosters for fucking EVERYBODY at the time they made their statement - hell, there isn't sufficient data even now.

For example, one key discovery since Biden's announcement: Pfizer and Moderna have oft been treated like they're the same vaccine due to mRNA, but Moderna is administered at a much higher dosage. And although antibodies aren't the entire ballgame, numerous studies, including one from Mayo Clinic, seem to indicate Moderna-vaxxed folk have much higher levels of antibodies than Pfizer on average, that the waning may be less pronounced. We have way too little real world data on Moderna performance when compared with Pfizer, and I think part of the reason is we just assumed we could extrapolate Pfizer results and apply them to Moderna.

Public health officials and scientists are not all in agreement on boosters. On the "yes, we should try boosters for all" side is Dr Eric Topol, Dr Peter Hotez, Dr Leana Wen (all of whom you've seen on TV, most likely), and Shane Crotty. On the "it's irresponsible to administer boosters to anybody but immunocompromised people" are Dr Angela Rasmussen, Muge Cevik, Dr Monica Gandhi, Natalie Dean.

The former group is pointing to early studies from Israel that shows a marked drop in 'serious' COVID cases even as overall cases continue to spike and set records. And also antibody studies that seem to show a restoration of antibody levels. The latter group is suggesting these studies have show a litany of confounders that muddy the results.

Interestingly, the doctors in support of the boosters tended to be the type that were more bothered by the efficacy drop against symptomatic infection, whereas those against tended to be more likely to point out efficacy against severe disease/hospitalizations hasn't moved, and since that is the primary endpoint, we should be getting more people their first shots. The latter group also tends to be more critical about just how far efficacy against symptomatic disease has fallen, with people like Topol suggesting it's 50-60% now (one of his more maddening traits - for which vaccine?! you can't just make blanket statements like that). Drs against boosters tend to think it's higher, like 65-70% (or higher). and they feel the goal should be reducing hospitalizations/deaths, not a slight reduction in symptomatic disease in otherwise healthy individuals.

I think walking this back is going to be impossible now. I don't like that they got ahead of the science. In any case, people are already securing boosters for themselves because it's not terribly difficult.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

xpost hah, when I got mine, that was my biggest fear, that someone would ask "why did you wait", and then I"d bel ike OK FINE I DIDN'T, HAPPY

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

“Narrowing the booster plan could confuse the public and create a perception that federal vaccine policy is in some degree of disarray. But some public health experts will most likely welcome it.”

Yes.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link

Several faculty members during our weekly Zoom meting yesterday admitted they had no trouble securing boosters at the university -- all they did was say they lived with an immunocompromised person and they got their jab, no questions asked.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:21 (two years ago) link

To my mind the wildcard in determining how desirable it is to prevent symptomatic cases, as opposed to tolerating large numbers of 'mild' (meaning 'not hospitalized') cases and concentrating entirely on hospitalizations/deaths, is the unknown amount of cellular damage 'mild' cases can cause, leading to 'long covid'. Because no one has any good data on this, there's no way to know how to incorporate this into one's conclusions on the better course of action.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link

i'm a moderna person. i really want a booster, looking forward to it hopefully. i am not mad at the biden administration. they may have gotten out in front but i trust that they're not trying to actively murder me, which is a huge improvement over the previous admin. the bar has been lowered.

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

There's definitely a lower risk of Long COVID if vaccinated, even if non-zero: https://www.statnews.com/2021/09/01/vaccination-reduces-risk-long-covid-even-when-people-are-infected-study/. This came out earlier this week.

I think the counter to that is that the "no boosters" scientists would point out that the vaccines never provided sterilizing immunity, and never completely stopped spread even pre-Delta, and that VE in the vaccine trials was measuring symptomatic infection, not asymptomatic. and that we'd be much more likely to see the tail end of this pandemic if we got other countries vaccinated and stopped these variants in their tracks, or tried to focus more on getting first shots to people.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link

I mean, I prefer Biden to the destructive Trump admin for sure, but there are definitely negative after-effects of announcing a policy in advance and then indicating that it was all pending FDA review, which puts a target on the FDA's back if the FDA declines to approve boosters at the meeting. we no longer have to worry about a President rewriting reality to fit his own personal convenience, but I just wish he'd waited longer.

also I don't personally think less of anybody who individually gets a booster (how could I, I got one!) but just more looking at the collective strategy here.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link

This came out earlier this week.

Wow, on Wednesday, Sept. 1! Good news.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 3 September 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link

the fact that we're back up to 3000 deaths a day is insane, I can only imagine what it would be without the vaccine

frogbs, Friday, 3 September 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link

to be clear, we aren't up to 3,000 deaths *per day* at this point. Yesterday's total had a data anomaly - 1,338 of the 2,987 deaths reported yesterday were from FL, and they weren't single-day totals from FL. since FL reports deaths by the date of death rather than the date they were reported, they have to technically wait for the death certificate to be issued and paperwork to be finalized/etc before recording the death, which means death totals in a given week initially show as artificially low. Then as each death gets finalized, they retroactively report the deaths in big dumps - hence the 1,338 yesterday.

This is why we can only trust weekly death totals in FL from 2 or more weeks ago, and nothing more recent.

That being said - since FL's typical daily death toll is something like 200-300, yesterday's death toll is STILL alarmingly high (something like 1,800 - 1,900). so....it's still pretty frightening.

slightly more positive news - hospital bed occupancy in FL by COVID patients has decreased by ~2,000 in the last two weeks. we'll know more at 5, but we may see 25,000 less cases reported this week (though in FL, we are drastically undercounting cases).

but with hospitalizations on the decline, this suggests a reduction in daily FL deaths will be coming in 2-3 weeks or so, hopefully.

in the interim, South Carolina seems to be emerging as a new epicenter.

Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Friday, 3 September 2021 18:03 (two years ago) link

where is your god

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 September 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link


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