I'm having a hard time seeing what is bad about any individual using whatever method suits thrm.
― brimstead, Monday, 6 September 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
That goes both ways
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 6 September 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
I kind of assumed people hated the biometric stuff if they don't work for that industry or one that relies on it but that they figure everything else is compromised anyway do who cares
seems bizarre to me to have no problem at all with it even then but I feel the same about people who support or don't mind having CCTV cameras everywhere, I'm intimately familiar with the you're being a bit much about this look
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
I guess blurring of the line between surveillance and convenience (and the unclearness about who the convenience is for) seems like such a self evidently bad thing to me that it's weird how normal about it people are. and the potential price of not being normal about it is terrifying (which means you have to become your own cop and do a lot of their own work for them)
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link
i don't think biometric stuff you have on phones (android here) leaves the device. so my fingerprint is hashed, the hash stored, and any new presses are similarly hashed and compared against the stored one.
if i bought a new phone i'd have to re-register my finger. if i put my phone into airplane mode it'll still unlock. so, slightly different.
― koogs, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link
I think if you are carrying around a phone and doing all the regular internet stuff people do, you've already conceded this a long time ago, and the biometric stuff only adds a tiny piece to the massive amounts of personal information you've already given away (like your precise location 24/7).
That being said, I totally don't begrudge anyone for not being comfortable using this stuff. OTOH, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what harm I'm causing to others if I prefer to use it.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link
I find it gratifying when someone from another country validates my horror about eg those banners on london buses because I know I'm not the only one but people get so weird if you bring it up as a problem like they're half contemplating turning you in or something
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link
that's the logic I understand xp, I do not understand not understanding how it could possibly bother people at all regardless of logic
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
it's not so much the fingerprint or where it goes in this case as the cumulative effects these things seem to have on behaviour around surveillance of self/others in general & the sense that any hesitancy or criticism is kind of suspicious
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:29 (two years ago) link
I’ve never heard anyone express suspicion about someone being hesitant around biometrics or fingerprints, and certainly not here. On the other hand, people moaning about their privacy being taken away by big tech are seemingly everywhere.I’m not happy about CCTV everywhere but that feels like a different issue.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link
are the people moaning about that wrong
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:36 (two years ago) link
Well it depends why. Usually they’re moaning about their own personal use and there’s a very simple way out of that which is to stop using Facebook and Google and Amazon.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link
Helpfully, there are about 10000000 other good reasons not to do business with those companies as well.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
There's a lot of this we take for granted that should be questioned. I'm still dubious on the idea that biometric locks are a significant part of that puzzle, but ymmv.
It's a trade off for me. I feel like they provide more security for my actual phone because they are unique and can't be copied vs PINs, which are relatively easy to swipe. I really, really hate POS devices at certain stores that force you to enter a PIN for a debit card even if your own bank doesn't require it.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link
Like 9 out of 10 card swipe machines don't require a PIN, so why are there still ones that do?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:41 (two years ago) link
I think it's the "I'll never understand people who…" that rubs the wrong way. I can understand why someone would want to use biometric (it's quicker, more convenient) and why someone would not. Can you seriously not understand the advantage, just the disadvantages of it?? Otherwise it certainly appears that you're calling everyone who choose to use biometric id foolish.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
and the suspicion of discomfort thing is v real if you often have to interact with invasive bureaucracies with close ties to psychiatric & law enforcement in order to live, any excess paranoia feels like part of the point then
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:44 (two years ago) link
Yeah, this is pretty much what I was responding to, not that I think everyone has to use it, but I feel like my own personal reasons for preferring it are mostly ok, at least for me.
xp
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
On the Internet anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, this is canonxpost Okay, fair enough Left.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
no one is insulting anyone just for using this stuff so the hurt feelings are hard to empathise with here
― Left, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
I'll never understand you, Left
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link
Lol Left nobody’s feeling are hurt
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
I was literally saying I don't see what's so hard about entering a PIN, which is something that had been expressed.
I truly don't care if you use it, I just don't think that the face or fingerprint thing are any more convenient than a PIN.
― Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Monday, 6 September 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
In other words, I'll keep using my PIN, thanks.
― Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Monday, 6 September 2021 22:47 (two years ago) link
It's not "so hard". It's just easier to use face or fingerprint. Why else do you think people prefer it?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 6 September 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link
Cause it seems more "futuristic"?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 6 September 2021 22:55 (two years ago) link
― calstars, Monday, 6 September 2021 22:56 (two years ago) link
I especially like face id when I'm driving, using my phone for GPS directions. If face id doesn't work (often happens due to position of my face vis a vis the phone dock), I have to take my eyes off the road that much longer to enter pin.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 6 September 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
I've also mentioned a couple different times that I use it less for convenience and more because I find it to be more secure
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 6 September 2021 23:20 (two years ago) link
i don’t even lock my phone
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:26 (two years ago) link
baller move
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:51 (two years ago) link
Phone?
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
I don't even use GPS. Rarely leave the house without knowing where I'm going.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:36 (two years ago) link
i don't even own a fingerprint
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:53 (two years ago) link
You owe d-mac a royalty fee
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
I can recall a time when to go to a soccer match, you would purchase a ticket - maybe from the ground, maybe by post or telephone.
Then a time, very recently, when you would carry a dedicated little plastic card with your name and number as a supporter of that club, and when you ordered, online or by telephone, the card would be 'loaded' with the ticket, or rather, the stadium turnstiles, I suppose, would be primed to accept you when you touched them with that card.
I attended a lot of matches both ways.
I have now arrived at a time when I receive an email from a club telling me that tickets are on a 'digital pass'. I click a link to something that has a scannable code thing, but when I try to do that it makes no difference. I don't believe that said pass is anywhere on my mobile phone as it was supposed to be. The whole concept seems also to involve Google Pay, a thing I have never had or wanted anything to do with.
The tendency is to think that I will never be able to go to a match again.
I admit that during a pandemic is a bad time to go to a match anyway.
I continue to believe that while technology has improved some things, it continues to make some things worse.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
I went to a show right before the pandemic started. It was the first show I had gone to where I wasn't asked to print out my tickets at home - I actually had to have the doorman scan the QR code in the Ticketmaster app on my phone. I was fine with that (gripes about souvenir ticket stub collecting notwithstanding), but when I got to the club, it was in an area with shitty cell reception and for some reason the app timed out while I was in line and I was having a rough time trying to get it back up again. I managed to get it back up by the time I got to the front of the line, but it was way more frustrating that just having a fucking ticket.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link
Yes - I can see how that is bad.
Requiring internet access to get into a thing is bad because internet is not always reliable.
But I think what I described is bad at another level - I can't even get to the point of notionally having the ticket on my mobile phone.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
always keep a screenshot or local copy
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
our local soccer team only accepts the digital ticket and will not accept screenshots. they have a dynamic barcode that changes periodically so screenshots won't work.
reception is awful outside the stadium. so you have to remember to download it to Google Pay in advance or you have a very bad time.
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
that is extremely annoying
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
fwiw I have both PIN and fingerprint enabled on my phone, I usually use fingerprint because it's quicker, but if I've just put handcream on or washed my hands the fingerprint reader doesn't work, so I can just put the PIN in then
― bovarism, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link
The first time I drove through empty roads to a deserted transport hub for a covid test and had a masked person in PPE scan the appointment barcode on my phone through my closed car window was one of the most filmy dystopian-future moments of the past few years.
― kinder, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
Ok, I won't flat out say it's a "backward step," but I do miss being able to press the garage door button and then run out into the driveway like Indiana Jones.
Instead, I have to walk back inside the house and then out the front door, like a schmuck.
― pplains, Saturday, 18 September 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link
But aren't most sensors located a couple inches off the ground, thereby allowing you to step over the beam they shoot?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 18 September 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
what is being discussed here
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 18 September 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link
― pplains, Saturday, September 18, 2021 1:12 PM bookmarkflaglink
lol I discovered this wasn't possible when housesitting for a friend.
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 September 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link
Yeah, but I'm so slow tall that by the time I get to the door, it's already five feet off the ground.
Sic reminds me of the time I came home and my garage door wouldn't open at all. When I got inside, my Australian brother-in-law told me, "Took forever for me to open your garage door. Finally realized I had to pull on that red handle hanging down!"
― pplains, Saturday, 18 September 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
hah!I’ve only had to pull the release rope a couple times at my place, most notably when the power was out for three days after storms last year. I remember thinking, hey, hope this thing works
― mh, Saturday, 18 September 2021 21:01 (two years ago) link
Same. My favorite part is putting it back into place. It's like a little model train set or something!
― pplains, Saturday, 18 September 2021 22:26 (two years ago) link