so is this the "everybody else vs man alive" thread now?
I mean I'm the guy who sent my own kid to school today in a classroom where I know at least one kid was COVID-positive last week so I wouldn't say I'm actually vs man alive here
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
We're in a very high-vax area where the numbers have remained consistently low and I am perfectly fine with the restrictions we have in place continuing until we're well in the clear because we don't live in a bubble.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link
Maybe some people do live in a bubble. Is that a thing? Towns and principalities surrounded by some kind of impermeable dome such that everyone inside the dome can rest assured that current conditions will maintain because outsiders can't get into the bubble with their germs? That sounds nice.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W0ac_Ju8vHw/VOJN_2-2x4I/AAAAAAAAFHI/W3KHKFemOc8/s1600/bubbleboy1a.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 September 2021 16:33 (two years ago) link
what restrictions are in place where you live?
xp
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
Sex is banned
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
Indoor mask mandate at the moment. And sex.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
ok, hot
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 September 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link
iirc, masks mandated for indoor sex only, outdoor sex masks are only recommended.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
Are restaurants and bars open?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
only for masked indoor sex with your man date
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
i get the feeling some people in this thread think the false positive test rate is large. it's not!
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Monday, 13 September 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
I agree it's terrible to have to put a "price on the human life" but I definitely sympathize with man alive's point here, this stretching out from one year of remote learning and lockdown to 2 or 3 or possibly more has its own consequences which I don't think should be dismissed. having to do remote learning kindergarten with a 3 year old in the house while also working a full-time job was really difficult! They want to go to school. I want them to go to school. I have come to terms with the fact that even if vaxxed we will probably wind up getting it at some point. And as much as I hate to think about it, everything poses some form of risk. At their ages (6 & 4) isn't pneumonia a bigger threat?
― frogbs, Monday, 13 September 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link
The thing is I'm a lot less of a jerk about this stuff IRL than I am on the internet. I wear a mask whenever I go into a store even if not required, we mostly keep any social stuff outdoors, no indoor dining etc. I generally limit my IRL complaints to stuff that really impacts my kids (e.g. can they please have more than 10 minutes from the moment they have to get their lunches out to the moment they have to be put away, they're coming home hungry). But I kind of feel the need to push back a little just to have some understanding of how safe we are trying to or expect to make things (or possibly even can) / what the metrics could/would be for easing up, etc. I live in NY which is at least "pretty good," at dealing with the pandemic right now, not Florida level, and maybe if every state was even "pretty good" we'd be on our way out of this. At the same time I wonder if NY is just going to get hit by the same thing Florida has now in the Winter. IDK. I might be wrong about everything. It's pretty hard to know.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 September 2021 17:53 (two years ago) link
I will wear a mask whenever I need to and whenever I am asked to. (#batman) But there are definitely people out there taking things to extremes of caution I am uncomfortable with. For example, on a Facebook group for parents of high school students here, someone posted that their kid had a headache so they kept him home, and another parent self-righteously amplified, good, headaches are a symptom of covid. Well, headaches are also a symptom of every fucking thing!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 September 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
itโs actually not that hard at all, you are wrong and you enjoy the mild humiliation of ppl w more sense telling you over and over that you are wrong
― class project pat (m bison), Monday, 13 September 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
โ ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Monday, September 13, 2021 1:11 PM bookmarkflaglink
isn't it like .2% or something ridiculously small?
it's false negatives that are much higher
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 17:57 (two years ago) link
lol xp
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 September 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link
yeah, PCR FPR is a lot less than 1%
LF FPR is like 2% or something.
i guess the problem is when you have 30 kids without covid taking a LF test with a FPR of 2%. the probability that at least one of them gets a false positive is 1 - (1-0.02)^30 = 55%.
if the rule is "if just one kid tests positive the entire class must isolate" then yeah that's de facto "schools are closed now" and i can see the concern.
but would that be the rule if the US actually started testing people routinely? it's not how it's done in the UK, which i generally assume is more aggressive about this.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link
mbison otm.
― Taliban! (PBKR), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
So my son's district is starting salvia based testing next week, I honestly haven't yet had a chance to dig in too deeply wrt how that compares to FPR with other methods.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
It's what we used at my university until July, after which we switched to the nasal PCRs.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
very jealous that I wasn't given salvia when I was in school, would've made it so much more entertaining
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
lol
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
We saw a big printed sign in front of a testing facility the other day announcing that they were now doing salvia testing. Kinda wanted to pop in and give them a hand.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
Yeah my work still uses the saliva testing (sadly not salvia), but I haven't had to have it done since I've been back.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link
just reading the word "salvia" sends a chill down my spine
― frogbs, Monday, 13 September 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link
Can't stress how wild the ivermectin Facebook groups have become. So many people insisting to each other to never go to an ER, in part because they might not get ivermectin, but sometimes because they fear nurses are killing them on purpose "for the insurance money."— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) September 13, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 September 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
I would get a job as a nurse in an ER if I could kill an anti-vaxxer for insurance money
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
Well, yeah.
― nickn, Monday, 13 September 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
My husband would be so rich.
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 13 September 2021 20:11 (two years ago) link
They want you to get vaccinated for the Met. if I get vaccinated it wonโt for the Met. Itโll be once I feel Iโve done enough research. Iโm working on that now. In the meantime my loves, be safe. Wear the mask with 2 strings that grips your head & face. Not that loose one ๐โฅ๏ธ— Nicki Minaj (@NICKIMINAJ) September 13, 2021
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
"research"
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link
Back in the lab again.
― DJI, Monday, 13 September 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link
My cousin in Trinidad wonโt get the vaccine cuz his friend got it & became impotent. His testicles became swollen. His friend was weeks away from getting married, now the girl called off the wedding. So just pray on it & make sure youโre comfortable with ur decision, not bullied— Nicki Minaj (@NICKIMINAJ) September 13, 2021
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link
the girl sounds nice, too bad he couldn't marry her because of his testicles
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
"Oh, my, god, Nicki, look at his balls. They are so big. He looks like one of those rap girl's boyfriends. I mean, his balls, they're just so big. Ugh, I can't believe they're both just so round. They're like out there, I mean, ugh, gross."— Drew Magary (@drewmagary) September 13, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:43 (two years ago) link
nicki hun wtf are you doing
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 September 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
-10k cases in the UK today compared to last week when a surge due to schools reopening was meant to be happening.
Think it's time to say that bar stuff like international travel or a new variant like Delta the pandemic will be over in the UK by Xmas.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
Why not just say it's over now, lots of people have and it's a fun + popular opinion
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
Ok
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
merry xmas (pandemic is over, if you want it)
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
not taking sides; i don't know the UK pandemic situation right now. just wanted to make sure the obligatory music pun was there
xyzzzz I'm not sure there's been time for transmission + positive tests + quarantining to have happened? They've only been back to school for like 5-7 days.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
Sim-plyGo-orgingOn all the ivectermin
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
xpost
Fair enough thought it was 10+ days xxp
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
Like I know people whose kids didn't go back until this past Wednesday.
That said, testing of every secondary school child (whose parents consented - I haven't seen stats on this) before actually entering a classroom has probably made a difference!
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:22 (two years ago) link
the number of daily deaths in the UK is still in triple figures.
and they've just been on the telly setting forward their autumn / winter preparations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58560031
― koogs, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:22 (two years ago) link