A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

6) mudhoney

you misspelled "modified funk" (xpost)

Aren't the drums on "Smells Like Teen Spirit" entirely overdubbed from session guys?

His beat for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - that's a dance song.

Did he really say this?

"black" francis.

http://www.cdmarket.eu/img/364f1f49e2426a7b476f4f1a5ef66fdc.jpg

masters of the "slightly modified funk beat"

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that shit above, minus my dumb wrong html things, is transcribed word for word. honest.

Aren't the drums on "Smells Like Teen Spirit" entirely overdubbed from session guys?

waht? i've never heard this

His beat for "Machinehead"--that's a dance song.

Aren't the drums on "Smells Like Teen Spirit" entirely overdubbed from session guys?

-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:39 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

dunno if this is a joke, but I'm pretty sure Butch Vig did a lot of drum sampling on Nevermind, which basically means you're hearing everything as Grohl played it, but Vig cut-and-pasted a bit to make sure each snare hit was as loud and spotless as every other one, etc.

for squirrels threw down so many nasty grooves

1991: The Year Funk Broke

you guys are cracking me up right now, this is great

load up on funk and bring your friends

Aren't the drums on "Smells Like Teen Spirit" entirely overdubbed from session guys?

waht? i've never heard this

I think somebody overheard Bernard Purdie indulging once again in "that was me on _____" , as my friend likes to put it.

load up on funk and bring your friends

-- Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:44 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

!!!!!!!

I think Carol Kaye played bass.

"8:02pm" is a great song Matt.

is this all some sort of convoluted justification for sfj to listen to overplayed white rock music, by saying it's actually dance-funk

is this all some sort of convoluted justification for sfj to listen to create overplayed white rock music, by saying it's actually dance-funk

I think by playing Elvis in his podcast and playing up some vague "funk" influence in Nirvana, he's trying to prove some musical Darwinism that the best music is 'miscegenated,' nevermind him contrasting that with a bunch of bands that are at least as black (?) as "Teen Spirit."

t's already, like, <b>nine different kinds of music</b>,

This reminds me of when Christgau in Pazz and Jop last year talked about Nirvana's "inspired, if accidental, synthesis", and Frank Kogan told me he must mean their "inspired synthesis of Husker Du style music with Bob Mould style vocals".

is this all some sort of convoluted justification for sfj to listen to create overplayed white rock music, by saying it's actually dance-funk

-- and what, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

No one plays Ui records, though.

oops

i didnt know if 'overplayed' meant unbiquitous or proggy

Smells Like Teen Spirit's beat is square as fuck anyway.

unbiquitous lol

you know who had a funky drummer? steppenwolf! that drummer was hard as fuck

otm

"Born To Be Wild" is like 28 different kinds of music

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was regularly played in a dance club in East Lansing Michigan in 1992, sadly enough.

does sfj not know what the word miscegenation means or is he trying to make a metaphor? is this what tremendoid was talking about? if "smells like teen spirit" is miscegenated does it mean that like the nirvana's influences had sex w/each other? (i am guessing the "funk" came via led zepplin?)

classic rock radio is often pretty damn funky (xpost)

bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart

listen to the break at 2:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdoaMPSd5OU

holy shit!

"bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart"

yeah like two gay dudes who pretty much lived in a van for weeks at a time wouldn't fuck each other

rock drummers in the 70s were pretty awesome across the board...like even dudes in lame bands were pretty great by today's standards.

so which nirvana influences are tops and which are bottoms?

"teen spirit" beat is kind of a funk beat. not as funky as, like, "the crunge," but it's not an outright absurd statement. it's also the only nirvana song i can think of that has even kind of a funk beat.

my girlfriend's dad is a drummer/freelance for drum mags and one of the first things I asked him is who the heck young drummers idolize these days and I think they all listen to Dream Theater now.

just noticed this:

Keywords
Frere-Jones, Sasha;
Indie (Independent) Rock;
Miscegenation;
Blacks (African-Americans);
Rock Bands;
Hip-Hop Music

what do shop boyz think about this

oh man i just saw the freaks and geeks episode last night where lindsey's dad tells nick that neal pert sucks and procedes to play him some really out jazz w/awesome drumming. (cant remember who it was now)

I asked him is who the heck young drummers idolize these days and I think they all listen to Dream Theater now.

ug jeezus...yeah chuck will probably protest but i'd say that metal had at least as much to do with leadfoot drumming these days as indie did...lars ulrich type drum school shit.

The notes are the same as a James Brown beat or whatever, but when it's played with all the accents at full volume and riding the crash cymbal and distorted guitars all over the places it's not really funky.

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Most of the highly skilled white drummers now go into metal or maybe some indie prog/metalish bands

And honestly, some metal is pretty funky

Also Jordan OTMFM

cant remember who it was now)

Buddy Rich I think?

Most of the highly skilled white drummers now go into metal or maybe some indie prog/metalish bands

And honestly, some metal is pretty funky

-- Hurting 2, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:09 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i challenge you to walk the halls of my practice space building on a tuesday night and repeat those two statements.

plus highly skilled =/ funky or good

what does ?uestlove have to say about all this?

(yeah i think you are right, thanks jordan. i'll have to check him out now.)

now I'm trying to figure out Dream Theater figure into the context of "Party Like A Rockstar," thx ILM