Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

And the counter-snark of "look at the fancy privileged urbanites who can afford to live in places with viable public transportation"

Plus "...and who can arrange their lives to accommodate the extra time it takes to live car-free"

can we not ruin this thread when we can all unite around shitty smart devices and the like

fumbling around changing tapes or CDs while driving was messy and dangerous but still, I think, preferable to trying to get my phone to connect via bluetooth and play Spotify while driving.

― mahb, Sunday, September 19, 2021 10:25 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm dedicated to never buying a new car because i hate the infotainment centers... to me they feel exactly the same as texting while driving

co-sign not ruining the thread! also i have been using a lot of rental cars lately for various reasons and so can actually join in on a driving issue: the bluetooth pairing thing, SO inconsistent and unreliable and just... un-smooth. like not exactly a backward step but also nowhere near the smooth seamless integration clearly imagined by the technology's developers and boosters.

also in general the menu systems on the dashboard are all garbage

Look at all the fancy people in here with garages.

Technically I have a garage (see, I'm on-topic!) but it was built for cars during the Model-A era. We've never tried to park our car in it. The garage door jumped a track long ago and we haven't been able to close it at all for the last three decades.

Nice technological advancements here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRB0gbYO3fE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdsE57-xw

also in general the menu systems on the dashboard are all garbage

yes. i drove a brand new Audi A4 a couple of months ago and the menus were terrible, barely usable. once i plugged my phone into the USB jack though CarPlay was there and suddenly that screen looked modern, had the relevant apps on my phone plumbed in, ran Google Maps etc

fully anticipating the revives on this thread 10 years from now when all cars use voice control for everything in an effort to reduce visual distraction but instead wind you up into apoplexy because they recognise your request for 'functions on the low' by ruff sqwad as a command to angle the side mirrors in by 20 degrees

I have a ten year old car and the bluetooth pairing has only screwed up maybe… twice?

I think I was holding my wifi devices too close together today or something, though? Streaming to a speaker got all choppy when my tablet was downloading an update to a game. What the heck, is it time to upgrade the wifi again?

Bluetooth works pretty well in my car tbh

Still wouldnt be fuckin around with it while driving if im honest but look

not convinced sound quality over bluetooth would be as good as it is over an aux cable but i have no proof of this as i don't use bluetooth and possibly never will

Aux def better, preferably plugged into an iPod classic rooted and loaded with flacs

imo the main benefit of Bluetooth over Aux in a car is that you can skip forward in your playlist with the buttons on the wheel, without looking away from the road.

Bold of you to think that all of us have a car that new.

Sigh

2004 Chevy Venture, 175,000 miles on it.

I use Bluetooth with a portable speaker in the car, with mp3s from Bandcamp or a stream from YT Music.

i have no idea when this feature was added to cars fwiw, it just seems present in a lot of rentals these days, idk

preferably plugged into an iPod classic rooted and loaded with flacs

Sorry I can't understand any of this because my car only plays vinyl

https://thevinylfactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/george-harrison.png

I treasure my 2005 minivan -- cd player, cassette player, power windows -- the best of both worlds

I want a vehicle that I don't have to put a couple hundred dollars in every few months to keep it going.

when I had a car it had bluetooth but it was pretty unreliable, and often it would just disconnect randomly, so I mostly used to plug my phone in. at least that way it also charges the phone

my house has a garage but you couldn't park a car in it. the house is less than 20 years old so it's not because cars are bigger now or something. you could fit a car in it but you wouldn't be able to open the doors to get out.

From everything I understand about EVs that is what they are, i.e. essentially zero maintenance (apart from needing to pay for the electricity to run them)

xpost

Here's a good example of the kind of thing that happens with ICE vehicles on the reg that people in the future won't believe we put up with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffMzpL2Mbh4

Whaddya know. A bald white guy with whiskers who's wearing glasses and doing the Home Alone pose. Speaking of what people in the future won't believe we put up with.

Electric cars have tires, brakes & suspension, and heating/cooling systems that will need servicing, but yeah, way less than internal combustion vehicles.

I really wish they had gone the route where the batteries are standardized across makes and easily removable - like a cassette(s) that slides out the rear of the vehicle, and is replaced with a freshly charged battery that you don't actually own. Kinda like when you pick up & return a propane cylinder for your barbecue, regardless of who made the bbq

that might happen some day but afaik the current tech requires them to maximise battery life by cramming bits of battery into every available void in the chassis. and also afaik not all EV OEMs have got a good, or any, system for recycling them after they’ve been depleted.

yeah i mean they will need some servicing but i believe the standard quote is something like 50% of the moving parts of ICE vehicles.

they do that for electric mopeds in Asia, and have started doing it for cars (and not cats as autocorrect would like)

https://allelectricmotorcycle.com/electric-motorcycle-news/gogoro-announce-strategic-partnership-with-foxconn-to-accelerate-the-expansion-of-gogoros-battery-swapping-system-and-smartscooters/

but i guess the "across makes" is the important thing

There was some kinda beta test in Israel where the car pulls over a pit, the batteries are dropped, and new ones installed.. all in less than three minutes. Would definitely be a selling point for folks worried about the long charging times.

imo people are going to need to adjust their expectations about when and how they put energy into their cars. like, it mainly happens at home, and if you’re going far enough that you need to do it on the road then you’ll need to combine that with a bit of a break. a meal. watch something on your ipad. yes that feels less convenient than spending 5 minutes pumping poison into a tank but one of the tradeoffs is that you never have to pay $1000 to replace a $50 HVAC sensor or deal with a main seal or whatever.

I'm fairly sure my uncle got an EV just to have an excuse to stop for a burger wherever he goes

fair play

You know that someone is going to have beef with electric cars

I wish there were more electric cars even though I generally hate ALL cars. That satisfying hum of an electric motor is so much nicer than some cunt who has modified their muffler to sound like a F1 machine. Fucking cars and internal fucking combustion engines really annoy me these days. This is a 19th century hangover that needs to be phased out now. Doesn't solve the problem of cars being shit though. A friend of mine pushing his kid in a buggy, spat in contempt at a car parked on the kerb. Because of low sun glare he didn't realise the car window was open and driver was in there and he'd spat in his face! And then he took the dodgy moral high ground by retorting: are you threatening me here, there is a baby present!

It really doesn't make much sense to bring 6,500 lbs of steel with you when you're going out for a pack of smokes... everything is still based on horse & buggy routes and infrastructure

That satisfying hum of an electric motor is so much nicer than some cunt who has modified their muffler to sound like a F1 machine.

Truth

The town i live in appears to be going through a phase of who can create the loudest backfire

same

imo people are going to need to adjust their expectations about when and how they put energy into their cars. like, it mainly happens at home, and if you’re going far enough that you need to do it on the road then you’ll need to combine that with a bit of a break. a meal. watch something on your ipad. yes that feels less convenient than spending 5 minutes pumping poison into a tank but one of the tradeoffs is that you never have to pay $1000 to replace a $50 HVAC sensor or deal with a main seal or whatever.

― Tracer Hand, Monday, September 20, 2021 2:03 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Right now, top of the line EVs can go about 350 miles on a single charge, highway driving, fwiw. That simply isn't good enough to be feasible for any sort of long-distance driving, at this point— I can make it to the other side of the state, and that's if I'm lucky. Until better systems are in place, most people are going to spurn these cars because of their price point and the fact that you can't get from the Bay Area to LA on a single charge, as just one example.

tbf 350 miles at highway speeds is a long haul by everyday standards --- 4.5 hours of driving. i'd want to stop for lunch and to stretch my legs, myself. but i am obv not a "typical" driver.

Yeah, I think I'd want to have a break after much less than 350 miles. I guess, assuming you can plan your trip with a rapid charging point on the way, it all depends how long you want to stop and how much more charge you need to get the destination/next stop. I read that a half-hour rapid charge gives you "60-200 miles of range" depending on your battery and the charge speed, but there's quite a lot of difference between 60 and 200 miles.

I guess I just stop as little as possible, for as short amount of time as possible, and anything making those stops longer just makes me angry.

Yabbut I'd have the same question for people who want towing capacity or cargo space: how often are you driving 500 miles? Versus the everyday 10- and 15-mile trips that most people do for groceries and work and whatnot.

I drive more than 100 miles at a stretch... let's see... once or twice a year.

Seems like you could rent a car for those couple weekends (it costs what, like $150?), and come out ahead in cost and environmental impact.

don't get me started on people who have huge pick up trucks that rarely need to haul things.

Yeah, if you have a boat or a camping trailer that you use for five or ten days a year? You don't need your year-round vehicle to be capable of towing it.

Most of your trips are the drugstore and the florist and dropping the kids off at school. Get an eco-friendly car for 355 days + rent a truck for the 10 days you need a truck. Way better than driving six tons of towing capacity around all day every day.

Its hard for urban apartment dwellers to have an all-electric car, unless they have the good fortune to have a reserved parking spot with a charger.

My boss bought a plug-in hybrid, and prides himself on driving so.. erm, parsimoniously that the gasoline motor never comes on.