Defenestrate Them All: Canadian Politics 2021

Yeah, ranked ballots would be my preference too. Wonder if NDP/Greens can hold Libs to electoral reform this time around?

"Mostly" is an overstatement and I'm not sure what the last sentence was meant to be but I am curious about the discussion in the replies - people saying that some of those reliably NDP ridings (e.g. Timmins James Bay) are gradually trending away from them. Canada does seem different from a lot of similar countries in that there is still a not-insignificant subset of rural ridings (mostly ones with unionized blue-collar communities and large First Nations populations) that typically vote for the leftmost major party - I do wonder how long they will resist the rightward trend of rural demographics in other countries (or even other parts of this one).

The federal NDP is a young, woke urban party that gets seats mostly in rural ridings (Northern Ontario, Manitoba,BC). It's so weird.

The became they sell doesn't fit the ridings they win.

— Bryan Breguet (@2closetocall) September 22, 2021

i don't think so. wasn't even mentioned in the liberal platform (i don't think) – and if the other parties wanted to press the issue they would need the conservatives on board. which they will never, ever, in a million years be.

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B-b-but they won the popular vote!

Who is Bryan Baguet?

Tooclosetocall guy: https://www.tooclosetocall.ca

The phrase “the became they sell doesn’t fit the tidings they win” is going to be lodged in my head for some time like a small rock in your shoe that you can’t ever quite find or dislodge.

lol what is that word even supposed to be

I'm guessing something like "the package they sell doesn't fit the ridings they win" but it's a guess.

I cannot figure out if there is a typo. All of the replies just rolling with it.

he has a thread on his feed about why the Tories would be smart to keep O'Toole for the next round that I thought was insightful. not that I hope they listen...

Well is it not self evident that he was able to sell a became that fended off a Liberal manifestation of a supermajority stemming from buying the becomings of so many people just left on the curb of a crisis?

lol

fair point

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93yp5d/supporters-of-maxime-bernier-and-peoples-party-of-canada-call-election-rigged

Not sure what to make of the return of the Michaels and likely exchange for Wangzhou. Obv it is good that they are home and seem unharmed. Does Trudeau deserve any credit for this or is it a matter of things working their way through the American courts?

who cares about these guys?!! they are probably spies, right? and given how many random people are unfairly imprisoned around the world every day of every year, why has so much ink been spilled on this?

well, we're speculating here, but this was most likely a biden/US-china deal, as he had mentioned it earlier in the year that he would pursue their release.

in case you've not been following the story, the chinese gov't sentenced michael spavor to 11 years of jail time in early august. the case hasn't been revisited since then, as far as i know, with no re-trial. the chinese gov't also said the michaels' arrest had nothing to do with meng wangzhou. yet as soon as wangzhou was returned to china, both michaels are returned to north america. this is some absurd, internet-level troll that i'd like to say is without precedent, but i'm sure china has done something like this before. i have no doubt the chinese gov't had a good chuckle out of all of this, and i think the CSIS would agree, which is why they decided to tweet this:

Welcome home, #Michaels 🇨🇦

— CSIS Canada (@csiscanada) September 25, 2021

also, like all things china, it's hard to really say what went on behind the scenes with the michaels, but just as a reminder, spavor is good friends with kim jong-un, north korea being china's close ally

the michaels' background is hardly mentioned in canadian news outlets, which i think may be because the US is behind trying to get as much support from north americans as possible for getting them back, possibly because they do have some insider information that may be useful to the US

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46552644

annamie paul out. the greens never even elected any antifa zionists

if May is the only one who can consistently get elected, why are they picking different leaders?

May resigned as leader two years ago (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elizabeth-may-green-party-leader-1.5346635) so it seems they have been flailing since. Paul actually seemed decent to me.

i joined the Green Party to vote for annamie for leader
ridiculous what happened to her

So apparently Alberta is holding a referendum tomorrow?: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-equalization-referendum-1.6214401
About a question that even Jason Kenney admits is pointless and purely for political leverage?:

The referendum on equalization is your chance to say yes for a fair deal.

This is an opportunity to tell Ottawa to take us seriously. pic.twitter.com/20CHNgrC1p

— Jason Kenney (@jkenney) October 17, 2021

Do people know much about the recent law in ON restricting spending on political advertising even outside of election campaigns? I can see some justification for restrictions on campaign funding but it seems odd that they would have needed the notwithstanding clause for this. The Star seems to think it's being used against small activist groups in a non-partisan, non-election-related context: https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2021/10/17/minister-in-ford-government-used-controversial-law-to-try-to-handcuff-grassroots-groups-fighting-to-stop-new-prison.html

So apparently Alberta is holding a referendum tomorrow?: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-equalization-referendum-1.6214401
About a question that even Jason Kenney admits is pointless and purely for political leverage?:

The referendum on equalization is your chance to say yes for a fair deal.

This is an opportunity to tell Ottawa to take us seriously. pic.twitter.com/20CHNgrC1p
— Jason Kenney (@jkenney) October 17, 2021
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, October 17, 2021 7:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I love this. so petty and meaningless. and despite the fact that probably most albertans have some kind of grievance about the issue, it might end up failing because of how unpopular Kenny is.

also cycling back: greens need to stop being the liberal party for people who really love "the nature of things" if they want to differentiate themselves enough to get voted for. although with the NDP we already have the quasi-meaningless, no-hoper "progressive" third party that is about the best they could ever hope to be

so petty and meaningless. and despite the fact that probably most albertans have some kind of grievance about the issue, it might end up failing because of how unpopular Kenny is.

Calgarian here -
My current councillor: taking over from Jeromy Farkas, basically the opposite from him in every way. And speaking of resounding rebukes, I'm very glad Farkas was so soundly defeated.
The councillor in my previous ward: this guy. I do wonder whether a lot of the votes for him came from early ballots, but that might just be wishful thinking.

Kourtney! \m/_

Yeah, Chu’s (extraordinarily narrow) victory basically shows up Ward 4 as the Alberta of Calgary.

What scares you most? We asked Canadians:https://t.co/nMEkSeoiPj pic.twitter.com/EaECQobqeN

— Angus Reid Institute (@angusreidorg) October 28, 2021

I like that Canadians equally fear "Trudeau/Canadian politics and government" and "Bad candy"

Bad candy is a decent description of Justin Trudeau

i feel like if you asked a thousand americans what scared them, no one would answer "nothing"

"Fear itself"--old transplanted Americans who voted for FDR in 1940. I wish Trump had finished right between spiders and snakes.

Find it hard to believe "pain" isn't on there.

I missed the top few choices until I looked at the tweet...I guess pain is subsumed under "illness," but they're not the same thing. I'm fearful of any kind of pain, even a paper cut.

Awful: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/teacher-removed-from-a-chelsea-que-elementary-classroom-for-wearing-a-hijab-1.5699395?s=09

I'd been hoping the Outaouais-area boards would follow through on their opposition and just refuse to enforce the law but that was probably hoping for too much.

What would the province have done if they'd just let her teach?

I'd be curious to see what civil disobedience would look like at that level / how it would be received, but yeah I'm not surprised they complied really. I'm trying to imagine explaining this to a 3rd-grader though...

it's such bullshit

did she teach at an anglophone school?

Afaict yes

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/12/secular-province-fires-muslim-teacher-right-before-christmas-break/

painfully otm

Thoughts on this?: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/12/10/its-hard-to-look-this-in-the-eye-but-covids-worst-is-coming.html

I'm a little baffled by how they've scheduled boosters in this province. Home care recipients, for example, who were prioritized for the first two shots, haven't been at all, so healthy people over 50 are getting their boosters earlier than potentially vulnerable people under that age.

My brother showed me that article in the Star. You would think that such a rapid spread would have everything locked down completely before Christmas, which may make the timing fortuitous. If this variant spread more slowly, its effects might not be realized until after holiday meetings.

Thoughts on this?: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/12/10/its-hard-to-look-this-in-the-eye-but-covids-worst-is-coming.html

― treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Monday, December 13, 2021 3:01 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

can't read the article (paywalled) but i don't think "the worst is coming" is likely in terms of deaths. cases will likely get high, but aside from israel (who have a low vaccination rate and large clusters of unvaccinated communities) no mass-vaccinated country has seen deaths of the same magnitude as in the pre-vaccine waves. canada's vaccination rate is also very high. based on the numbers here we're currently at 77% (82%) with at least 2 (1) dose, compared to 62%(69%) israel, 69%(75%) uk, 69%(72%) germany & austria and 74%(77%) netherlands. among european countries, only portugal 89%(89%), spain 80%(82%) and iceland 82%(83%) are more vaccinated than us. cases are currently rising in spain and portugal and peaked a month ago in iceland. in all three of those countries deaths have basically de-coupled from cases since summer; iceland's had 4 deaths despite hundreds of cases per day, portugal's peak was 18 deaths per day compared to almost 300 per day in january, and when spain was averaging 20k cases per day in the summer it peaked at about 100 cases per day (compared to 500 per day in march 2021 or 700 per day in april 2020). denmark is just barely below canada in vaccinations at 77%(80%) (although they're ahead in boosters) and is currently having its largest wave ever in terms of cases (7k per day) which so far has only translated to an average of 10 deaths per day, compared to 30 per day in december 2020 when cases were 3.5k per day. deaths lag so that will likely go up, but even hospitalizations (which lag less) are at 450 now v.s. peak of 900 in january

the reports that omicron is less deadly/severe than delta are probably a statistical illusion, but so far it at least doesn't look more deadly, so hopefully the weakened relationship between cases and deaths will continue to hold