good summary pbkr. hindsight is 20/20 but lagoon xp otm
it's not coincidental that this is the result of the process. the strategy of amass high picks and consistently take best player available is bound to lead to poor fits and head cases. you live with the fiascos that were fultz and jahlil okafor as the cost of doing business for hitting on embiid. but they cut their losses pretty quick on those. the poor fit with simmons and joel not so much. tbf though simmons is a pretty unique player
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
yeah the process was exactly what you would do if you were tanking and also didnt understand basketball or people, its pretty funny that it became this whole thing when it was just a low quality tank job, another huge misunderstanding by hinkie was thinking that draft picks and players were comparable assets and he could just trade his way out of drafting four centers when really picks tend to me much more tradable than players which is something everyone else knows, ironically the one bad fit they could have very profitably traded their way out of simmons-embiid they didnt
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
hindsight is 20/20 but lagoon xp otm
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, October 1, 2021 12:00 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
fwiw i did advocate for doing all those things at the time
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
get this man an nba team stat
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
i know right im the new haralabob
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
Agree that lagoon has been otm re: Simmons for a while, but you could understand the organization not cutting bait.
I also feel like Simmons isn't catching enough fire here for being an incredible weirdo whose game has actually regressed.
Maybe the Sixers should have hired Kendall Jenner as GM - she knew when to trade Simmons.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Friday, October 1, 2021 12:15 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
totally, the nba is not fantasy basketball
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
Hinkie drafted chalk every time, which is not what good GMs do
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
another huge misunderstanding by hinkie was thinking that draft picks and players were comparable _assets_ and he could just trade his way out of drafting four centers when really picks tend to me much more tradable than players which is something everyone else knows, ironically the one bad fit they could have very profitably traded their way out of simmons-embiid they didnt
― J0rdan S., Friday, 1 October 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
yeah he was behind the curve of realizing that the league was moving away from centers
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link
that okafor draft was brutal i mean hezonja, cauley stein, mudiay, stanley johnson, frank kaminsky & justise winslow were picks 5-10 but hinkie picked okafor over porzingis & tho porzingis career has been um troubled the lack of foresight/understanding there on what skills would be/are valued in big men on the court and on the trade market…. really poor & not giving much confidence that the guy actually understood what he was doing when the job moved beyond “understanding the value of tanking” and into “evaluating basketball talent”
― J0rdan S., Friday, 1 October 2021 16:33 (two years ago) link
yeah that draft is wild 5-10 busted then below that theres a bunch of serviceable to great players
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:39 (two years ago) link
that draft does look pretty dire now. just a perfect storm of teams taking flyers on relative unknowns (hezonja, mudiay), an obsession with that kentucky team (lyles & cauley-stein to go along with towns, booker), the people's champ tall white guy (kaminsky), and then your classic busts, injury division (winslow) and non (stanley johnson). i guess throw the sixers taking okafor in there under "stubborn team sees good stats center and refuses to adjust thinking to match needs/era"
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link
pretty funny that booker was the last wildcat taken, btw i was just watching one of those offseason open run youtubes and lyles just couldnt do anything even with everyone playing defense at half speed just pitiful
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
last of those 4 lotto picks. couple more in the second round, andrew harrison and dakari johnson
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
harrison bros were supposed to be a big deal, oh well
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
Morey has had this dumb analytics thing where he tries to reclaim guys who washed out with other teams if they were high draft picks. Because hey, high draft picks are correlated with being good. But really what you should try to do is draft the guys who don’t wash out.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link
yeah i mean high draft picks tend to be good but probably not really if youre remove all the ones who are good
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link
lol
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link
who's better, high draft picks who didn't pan out or guys who were regarded as lottery-level picks but then fell during draft season for some reason or another?
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
weirdly phrased question, but you'd think the analytical thing to do would be to favor "blue-chip" type guys who were overlooked because of weird draft season reasons
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link
yeah i would think so especially if you weeded out the guys who just got injured or had felonies or whatever, one thing ive wondered for a while is at which point is the conventional wisdom most accurate, feel like someone should do a study of mock drafts and try to figure out if the consensus is better three months out before the hysteria sets in or whatever
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link
or even pre-season. if michael porter jr. skipped college entirely instead of getting injured during his lone season, no doubt he would've been a top 3 or so pick
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
there are some great test cases in the most recent draft for this--guys who were highly recruited out of high school and had weird/bad/covid-impacted freshman years
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
Reporting with @WindhorstESPN and @BobbyMarks42: Sources confirm the 76ers have not paid Ben Simmons the $8.2 million he was owed today. The money has been put in an escrow account, & any fines accrued by him for not showing up will be deducted from that amount moving forward.— Tim Bontemps (@TimBontemps) October 1, 2021
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
lol it's like your parents deducting from your allowance because you haven't mowed the lawn. except it's $8 million in salary
― J0rdan S., Friday, 1 October 2021 19:11 (two years ago) link
reminds me of assholes who count out $10 in ones onto the table when they sit down and tell the waiter they are taking a dollar for every mistake they make.except it's 8.2 million.lol xp
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:12 (two years ago) link
I didn't think they were actually going to fine him.
― Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
guess both sides have finally admitted its over
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
lot of terrible people currently praising whatever draymond said re vaccination, not going to look into it
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
lol this is escalating
The Sixers will indeed not pay Ben Simmons the 25% of his salary due today, according to league sources. And there are now growing whispers that Simmons could respond by actually reporting to Philadelphia, albeit maintaining that he is injured: https://t.co/qFpQ8tykZq— Jake Fischer (@JakeLFischer) October 1, 2021
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Friday, October 1, 2021 1:05 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
cole anthony is another guy who was a projected top-10 pick who struggled as basically the only option on a bad north carolina team, fell to the late first round and now looks like viable lead guard
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 October 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
kinda feel like hes a backup but who knows
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
i do like him tho he moves around very furiously even tho he is small
― lag∞n, Friday, 1 October 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link
seems like his rep is that people don't love playing with him but he's talented enough to stick around for a while, probably on many different teams.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 1 October 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
Drays was similar to lebrons I think. ie not gonna tell anyone what to do with their body etc etc warriors insiders think he’ll get it tho
― um, i mean... im sure weve all seen the videos, so... that will help (Spottie), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
Cole Anthony is very sassy in everything he does
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 1 October 2021 21:23 (two years ago) link
i am delighted to report that the online store for jimmy butler's coffee brand has launched. please review each item carefully: https://bigfacebrand.com/collections/all
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 October 2021 00:14 (two years ago) link
extreme web design like i haven't seen in 15 years, love it
― Clay, Saturday, 2 October 2021 00:26 (two years ago) link
why is there no coffee i wouldve tried the coffee maybe if it didnt cost as much as an nft
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:06 (two years ago) link
supposedly the coffee is coming at some point
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:13 (two years ago) link
but you can prepare by buying the $100k travel espresso rig
ok ill start with that
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
btw hardens mouth looks so weird through his beard right now
James Harden talks about Ben Simmons situation in Philly and how it’s different from his Houston situation pic.twitter.com/l9ZW44WvGh— Brooklyn Netcast (@BrooklynNetcast) October 1, 2021
yeah he looks like a cartoon character
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/CHVSPSZ.png
― lag∞n, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link
hahah yes
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:21 (two years ago) link
high muppetry
― Clay, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:29 (two years ago) link
will he be releasing his research https://t.co/qyiorTSfRm— Russ Bengtson (@russbengtson) October 3, 2021
― lag∞n, Sunday, 3 October 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
blind item: there is a preseason nba game today
― Clay, Sunday, 3 October 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link