Multixp Transformer had legs in the UK and was certified platinum in 2913, poor old Berlin stuck at silver.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
2013 that is.
was gonna say, legs indeed!
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
McNeil?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
This discussion has me increasingly interested in seeing the doc, despite familiarity w subject and the director's previous tendency toward gimmickry---speaking of Browne and Noonan, (from Jackson Browne - C or D? (according to something long ago in Goldmine---an epic trek into the early daze of BOC and Soft White Underbelly etc---Meltzer and classmates, one of whom was from Cali. seized control or some of it of the campus concert committee, so first East Coast shows of several Frisco bands and the Orange County Three, Buckley, Browne, and Steve Noonan---and Browne stayed around and hung out with Meltzer, Pearlman, and so on, eventually meeting Nico (I think that was it).
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:23 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
(They may have been advertised as the Orange County Three, but sep sets on the same bill, I believe.)
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:25 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Oh yeah, here's the 1968 Cheetah Magazine consideration of thee so-called Orange County Three:http://galacticramble.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-orange-county-three.html
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:30 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Cover model Michael J. Pollard!
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:47 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Second two-page spread of that piece eerily foreshadows Yacht Rock
― baelien (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:56 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
birdistheword, I do find that attribute (that I might call plain-spokenness) in some of Browne's work, like The Only Child on The Pretender.
I've wanted to read the Paul Nelson compilation/biography, but haven't encountered it yet.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, February 6, 2021 7:23 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
XP ...and the final paragraphs provide a harbinger of Browne's asshole friends.
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, February 6, 2021 7:26 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Ah, okay, here's Noonan, and some stuff about the "Three"'s origins, in Unterberger's liner notes for reissue of s/t debut: he and their high school buddy Greg Copeland wrote "Buy For Me The Rain," Top 40 Nitty Gritty Dirt Band hit. also, Noonan, very extensively quoted here, says that he and Browne wrote things first recorded by Tom Rush etc., attributed to JB only, and he mentions "The Fairest of the Seasons," which I know is on the Nico LP and I think is the one w typo, "Browne-Copland,"confusing me until I heard of Greg Copeland: with all them strings and the melodee, it had me wondering if based on something by Aaron C. Noonan mentions seeing boy Browne as accompanist for Nico and El Cohen (singing together, I hope): http://www.richieunterberger.com/noonan.html
― dow, Saturday, February 6, 2021 Noonan makes it clear that he fought w producer of first album, was not pleased w results (although claims that it has a following: which, why not, every album has some kind of following, as Internets remind us---might be good; some of the producer's ideas seem kind of promising)
― dow, Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
I reckon Berlin was like Scott 3, people bought it on the strength of the last album(s) and were like, "Jesus, this a bit depressing, I don't think I'll bother with his next one".
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
.. in the UK, that is, I assume nobody bought it in the US.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
haha…the National Review movie critic is not impressed
Liberals hold to a fantasy of bold oppositional attitudes, so Haynes celebrates VU’s dubious revolution. The Velvet Underground indicates that what Bob Dole later called “the culture of depravity” has won. When Warhol actress Mary Woronov talks of “where the artist comes in, because he’s not with society, he’s different,” she recalls a different world from today. Yet Haynes ignores the fact that, 50 years on, and many pop evolutions after VU infected the culture, Millennial pop today tends toward compliance, conformity, and elitism. All those negatives that now accrue to VU’s legacy describe why Haynes’ tribute fails.
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:28 (two years ago) link
National Review movie critic = Armond White
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
To make Berlin, Lou subsequently had to deliver two 'Commercial' albums to RCA, which is how Sally Can't Dance and R'n'R Animal (and by accident, Lou Reed Live) happened.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
Is Lou Reed Live just some more of the same stuff recorded for RnRA?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
I have cracked “The Murder Mystery”! It was the Libtards , in the New York Public Library, with the Lewis Allan Reed Collection.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
XP Yes, it's most of the rest of the show, and is most recently available under the title "Extended Versions". A couple more tracks were added to the R'n'R Animal reissue.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link
Thanks. If I have never warmed up to RnRA would I like this one? I kind of prefer that album with, what are they called, The Tots.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link
Probably not? There's a grooved-out "Oh Jim" jam that hits 10 minutes, plus a few Transformer numbers and a brief "Waiting For The Man".
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
I ended up watching that PBS Glam thing on YT last night, there's a cool live clip of Glam Lou doing "Vicious" in it.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
thoughts after seeing in cinema:
1. Mary Woronov steals the show, she is fantastic and I love her
2. the ambience is superb, total immersion in NYC 60's culture
3. I can't believe they actually got Young & Zazeela to interview!!
4. Nico is well served here, which was nice
5. Mo and John are both great, very human and touching
6. "not recommended for photo-sensitive audience members" lol
7. some very cool snippets I was unfamiliar with, early versions of "Waiting" and "Heroin" among other stuff
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Sunday, 17 October 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link
*audio* snippets, to be clear
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Sunday, 17 October 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
8. Jonathan Richman is such an adorable dork
9. Mary and Mo both essentially saying "we fucking HATED hippies" within 30 seconds of each other in the (superb) edit flow
as jbr pointed out on faceplace, the Velvets were posing as much as the hippies were, acting like what they were doing in NY w sunglasses & heroin was that far removed from San Francisco’s flowers & …heroin.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 October 2021 23:58 (two years ago) link
hmm idk at least they were honest abt their nihilism rather than cloaking it in feel-good rhetoric?
like the saying, "punks are nice people pretending to be mean, hippies are mean people pretending to be nice"
is is def true that heroin was a common denominator tho. I like that the film specifically mentioned that there was an audience that was into both the VU and the Dead (who actually played together at least once)
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link
idk the nihilism was as much of a pose as loving everybodyeither way they were both just pretexts for dudes to convince their girlfriends to have threesomes
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link
I have usually adhered to the party line as represented here by Moe and Mary, but over the years I have grown to like the Airplane and their unfined blues licks for one thing, so I appreciated JBRs take on facepalm.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
How can Mary tell me what to doWhen she and Paul are Eating Raoul?And Moe she don’t knowUnless it pertains to Babatunde O
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
xxp lol yes this also got touched on with the ex-gf from Syracuse who was also very good as an interview subject
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:26 (two years ago) link
Shelley Albin!But if Shelley she would just come back, it’s be all right.Apparently Mary Woronov would get really mad at Paul Bartel when he would say that the two of them were married in interviews, or at least assent to it when asked.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link
LOLing at James’s Supremes rewrite
― Josefa, Monday, 18 October 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
I've long known *some* nice punks and hippies, long-term committed to living on the edge of the grid, urban and country, also committed to good causes (punks more about animal rescue, hippies more about solar, wind power, community gardens etc)
― dow, Monday, 18 October 2021 00:37 (two years ago) link
And yeah there were always some people (eventually incl. me) who liked the Dead and VU, also Television.
― dow, Monday, 18 October 2021 00:39 (two years ago) link
Shelley seems to have had Lou’s number way before Laurie.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:46 (two years ago) link
One of those Syracuse friends in the doc, Richard Mishkin, apparently sat in on bass with the Velvets at the Dom, either because John was sick or to free up John to play something else and not make Sterl or Moe have to fill in.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 02:18 (two years ago) link
I think I posted this before: some graph Jonathan Richman made before anybody knew who he was (reproduced in Ryan Walsh's _Astral Weeks_).🖼
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
One thing that is somewhat misleading in the doc is that the Velvets continued playing for a bit at the new venue when the Dom became the Balloon Farm, they weren’t frozen out by the new management as John makes it seem.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 03:41 (two years ago) link
Ah, but they were scheduled to play for something like the last three weeks of October 1966, but quit after about a week, Sterling describing the experience as “repellent.”
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 03:57 (two years ago) link
But there is a still a club downstairs from the Balloon Farm in the Dom where Nico is playing solo shows and, while each of the male Velvets is called upon to accompany her, they resent doing so and furthermore are forbidden by Lou to do so, so she finally ends up singing along to a tape recording of John playing, with a live male Velvet perhaps appearing every once in a while under duress. Eventually Tim Buckley becomes her accompanist but he does like it much either at which point teenage Buckley disciple Jackson Browne steps in, perhaps at the behest of Paul Morrissey.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 04:13 (two years ago) link
ty for your service, good background there
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Monday, 18 October 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link
Sorry, I saw one too many strobe lights and drank a little energy drink called White Light/White Heat and am having some trouble coming/calming down.(xp)Thanks, you’re quite welcome.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 04:19 (two years ago) link
there were so many things that were touched on without any words at all
- Andy's literal chest scars
- Lou & Laurie
- the 1993 reunion (and the '72 Bataclan thing)
also very cool to see that live Texas footage from '69 with Mo in the NY Jets shirt
― Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Monday, 18 October 2021 04:23 (two years ago) link
(it's silent, I know, but they did a good job)
feels like the doco did what a good doco should, which is spark up the fires of love and make it feel fresh again.I would like to have seen a little more in-the-studio imagery and some mention of what went down with the missing fourth album, especially how Cale felt about his involvement, but that's not the main story I guess.
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 18 October 2021 05:13 (two years ago) link
I hadn't seen the b+w footage with Yule closest to the camera before. Wondered for a moment if it was actually VU before it became clearer that Lou was also there.
Also I thought Sterling was involved with at least some of the post Lou live stuff at the turn of the 70s. Thought he was on that box set of recordings from the era.
Also didn't Sterling wind up driving tug boats for a while. Thought it was something I read several decades ago.
― Stevolende, Monday, 18 October 2021 06:52 (two years ago) link
Yes to all of that. Apart from the boxset of recordings, I don't know if he's on that. Talking of 'something I read once', I'm sure I read that Sesnick had them playing some kind of ski lodge after Lou left - Sterling was still in the band then.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Monday, 18 October 2021 06:58 (two years ago) link
... seek and ye shall find.
http://songpoemmusic.com/vuforum/AlpineSkiLodge/01.jpg
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Monday, 18 October 2021 07:00 (two years ago) link
Doug Yule: There's very little difference between a ski lodge and a bar - a ski lodge is a bar in a ski country. We played at one place where I met my first wife; we played on a stage that was as big as a dining-room table, in the corner. It was jammed with people attempting to dance and attempting to drink themselves into oblivion; it was, in fact, one of the more popular ski bars. We played the Alpine in North Conway [New Hampshire] for weeks, many weeks. We played there so long that I learned how to ski. There was no record company footing the bills and Sesnick was having trouble booking the group. So he got whatever he could.[in Afterhours: the twilight of the Velvets, MOJO #75, February 2000, p. 44]
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Monday, 18 October 2021 07:02 (two years ago) link
Sterling's not on the Final V.U. box set - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_V.U._1971–1973
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 18 October 2021 07:15 (two years ago) link
https://untappedcities.com/2014/07/10/fun-maps-the-velvet-underground-map-of-new-york-city/?fbclid=IwAR0yoPxdfxa0iZ8xTHdAC6-3mRvaFun6OOhBnITRvnbIFTbDcmw_iCRMBAc
― Stevolende, Monday, 18 October 2021 09:51 (two years ago) link
I gotta say that sounds like the best gig imaginable
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 18 October 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link
following JB's influence again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oR3AHkl9EI
― Stevolende, Monday, 18 October 2021 11:08 (two years ago) link
Heh. I found a quote from Martha Morrison about it, but didn't bother posting as it was very similar to what Doug said.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:20 (two years ago) link
I was just pondering that the Velvet Underground had three different people who played bass, none of whom liked playing bass and would all have preferred playing another instrument. Two of their most famous recordings have no bass guitar.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link