apparently he had a pain in the jaw before he was guillotined, that hypochondriac
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 12:55 (two years ago) link
The wee fella wis up tae high doh in the weeks afore Thermidor. As Boaby might say.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link
the lancet has opinions
"his disease did not play any part in his death" <-- hard to argue with i suppose
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 14:04 (two years ago) link
Believe there is an R.E.M. song that mentions the incident. This one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWgTv9TvZys
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0rgeQ0QD-ođ„ Napolean XIV - They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa!
― Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZXI9RJSgok
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
^Probably my favorite song related to this, DO U SEE?
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
Almost forgot this one, close second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXa8IXvaW0I
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
charlotte corday stabbing the gallagher bros in *their* bath, no committee of public safety in the land wd have guillotined her
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link
ps not to step on a joak but the "pain in the jaw" alfred mentioned was from being shot in it when arrested (possibly by RP himself possibly by an arresting officer, the wikipedia version of events in his final 48 hours is the opposite of lucid but i also think there were several rival versions of said events)
― mark s, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 12:38 (two years ago) link
I dunno, pretty sure that Wikipedia editor was on the scene as events unfolded
― Gimme some skin! Because I don't have any skin. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:05 (two years ago) link
His brother jumped out a window and broke his leg(s) too I think? And somebody else did succeed in blowing their brains out which Maxie might have been trying to do.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:09 (two years ago) link
executed alongside hébert: craz name crazy wig!
prussian-dutch rather than french, anarchist and internationalist, he shd still probably be in the OP list (esp.as these are basically the reasons he was guillotined)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Anacharsis_Cloots_-_Ecrits_révolutionnaires.jpg/800px-Anacharsis_Cloots_-_Ecrits_révolutionnaires.jpg
― mark s, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
anyway i finished a place of greater safety, no spoilers but only a handful of the characters make it through with their heads on etc lol
based on previous mantel experience i will need to reread to get some of what's going on: also it was published in 90s but actually written in the 70s and is i think very different in how it manages material to wolf hall et al
― mark s, Thursday, 21 October 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link
The French Revolution was an obsession of mine a couple of years back so don't get me started on those Thermidorian so-and-so's.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 October 2021 12:12 (two years ago) link
les wojacques:
the best thing ive ever participated in the creation of (i selected almost all of the people and positions, tost did the actual work of photoshopping them into this) pic.twitter.com/SkYSY3tEKC— Femboy Political Theology (@OldDreyfusard) March 18, 2022
― mark s, Friday, 18 March 2022 17:44 (two years ago) link
v useful chart.
― Fizzles, Friday, 18 March 2022 18:43 (two years ago) link
Is it? Itâs of interest to me cause Iâve been reading about the revolution. But that version of the political compass just seems like a vehicle to promote libertarianism. Surely thereâs some less arbitrary axis than âlibertarian vs authoritarianâ. Just one example, the Girondins are separated from Robespierre here but werenât they actually pretty close? Maybe that axis really just refers to the degree of fondness for the guillotine?
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 19 March 2022 10:51 (two years ago) link
I don't know what the Girondins have to do with libertarianism, or why Dantonists are further left than Robespierre or why Robespierre isn't further left than the Girondins, for that matter. Or what is authoritarian about Babeuf etc.
― Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 March 2022 11:13 (two years ago) link
basically i just like the faces
― mark s, Saturday, 19 March 2022 12:17 (two years ago) link
OTM
― Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 March 2022 12:47 (two years ago) link
https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2022/11/olympic-paralympic-mascot-hero-1704x959.jpg
https://www.dezeen.com/2022/11/17/paris-french-revolution-hats-olympic-paralympic-mascots/
― conrad, Thursday, 17 November 2022 13:36 (one year ago) link
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/188/b26/44452f4a73fd2a6cb18f27c644c5c7a1f0-9-smurfs-1.2x.rhorizontal.w700.jpg
Reckless and Unrepentant Smurfs Continue Their Defiance
― mark s, Thursday, 17 November 2022 13:54 (one year ago) link
it seems like this is the thread we come to when weâre rabbitholing the revolution due to mantelâs place of greater safetyhi itâs me this reread has convinced me i finally need to do actual history reading to get a better grasp on all the players & surrounding events etc thinking of - Christopher Hibbert âfrench revolutionâ- RR Palmer âtwelve who ruledâany other recommendations? i donât think Schama is for me - too populist? idk. i liked his art history years ago but this seems out of his lane. but i do need a ~good~ overview, and at least one good specific robespierre bc he intrigues me
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:12 (one year ago) link
how are we doing on this fine Ventose day
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
I liked Jeremy D. Popkin's 2021 A New World Begins: The History of the French Revolution
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
i tried schama but i didn't vibe with him at _all_, he seemed to be coming from a very different place than i was and nothing he was saying seemed to make much sense to me.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:21 (one year ago) link
from cursory research seems like a few of revolution historians disagree w him too
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:24 (one year ago) link
xxpost that looks like exactly what iâm after, thx Alfred!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link
schama shd turn his mind to the reckless and unrepentent smurfs imo
― mark s, Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:36 (one year ago) link
is Ruth Scurr's Fatal Purity any good? I bought the paperback but the print was too small and a struggle for my bad eyesight. I managed to acquire the e-book but seem to recall someone on here being unimpressed with it.
― calzino, Saturday, 4 March 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link
i enjoyed mike duncan's revolutions podcast on this particular revolution: he was good at clarifying who was thinking what and how this or that group's political stance could be genuinely radical one month and then cofusedly reactionary the next without having changed much in-between
― mark s, Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link
I think "Twelve Who Ruled" was the first thing I read on the French Revolution - I've never read the Hilary Mantel novel - anyway it rules. "Robespierre: A Revolutionary Life" by Peter McPhee is also very good. Both are fairly favourable towards Robespierre. I wouldn't go anywhere near Simon Schama on this particular subject.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:16 (one year ago) link
â calzino, Saturday
I mentioned it upthread. Solid as research but his identification with Robespierre gave me the creeps.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 March 2023 22:06 (one year ago) link
omg i forgot abt mike duncanâs revolutions podcast! i love him. maybe iâll give that a goi was listening to a different podcast abt the revolution but he keeps likening things to star wars & lord of the rings & game of thrones & it makes me deeply eyerolly
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 March 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
the haiti season of revolutions is short and dovetails nicely with the French Revolution one
― flopson, Sunday, 5 March 2023 10:01 (one year ago) link
update: i finished Popkinâs âA New World Beginsâ - it was exactly the kind of overview i neededand really well-written. he has a lovely light touch that i appreciated thx for the recommendation Alfred! now i am digging into RR Palmerâs âTwelve Who Ruledâ and i am loving ititâs surprising that his conversational-style narrative was written in the 1940âs. Quite a fresh take for the times!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 April 2023 21:13 (one year ago) link
Forgot about TWELVE WHO RULED.
― Beatles in My Passway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 April 2023 04:42 (one year ago) link
omg itâs so freaking good!! iâm halfway through
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 April 2023 05:35 (one year ago) link