Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

disagree, I've never heard a live VU boot that wasn't worth multiple listens and the BTP ones are particularly great

yes it's all lo-fi as hell for the most part but YMMV

I mean the 1969-07-11 BTP has a 16-minute "Run Run Run", what's not to love?

yeah thats what i'm sayin i hear it and i just wished it sounded better. but i dig what you're saying

Yeah I'm glad they exist for sure, 7/11/69 was the one I was specifically eyeing.

lol I'm listening now and I swear you can hear Jonathan Richman yelling for "Sister Ray" before they do it as an encore

like, repeatedly

yes it's all lo-fi as hell for the most part but YMMV

I mean the 1969-07-11 BTP has a 16-minute "Run Run Run", what's not to love?

I found a copy of The Legendary Guitar Amp Tapes recently (from whence came that insane “Run” cubed), and was expecting little beyond a single mic on Lou’s amp. It’s actually far more (and I hate this word) listenable than its reputation suggests, better in some ways than the Quine tapes.

oh yeah that all-amp version of "Sister Ray" sounds like fucking Hawkwind, just tremendous

There's a film on Barbara Rubin on Sky Arts right now taht I only found out about half way through showing. & apparently Andy Warhol foun dout about the Velvets through her and she did the visuals for the EPI. Not sure what the story is on repeats for this.; I know a lot of teh material showing on Sky Arts gets repeated quite a bit.

Repeats on Tuesday Morning at about 3am on the schedule I'm getting in Ireland anyway. Assume that's actually a UK timetable.
Film by Chuck Smith with Lee Ranaldo as musical director according to the credits

The Barbara Rubin documentary is excellent (couple of years old). She was right in the middle of a Warhol-Velvets-Dylan triangle.

Intriguing figure...Speaking of Sky Arts, have any of you seen The South Bank Show's 1986 VU doc? I think that's what I saw in '87 on the first incarnation of Bravo, but South Bank also did one on Warhol in '87, so may have been that---even so, VU content def made strongest impression, and Bravo was smart to start with him and/or them in my neck of the woods---here they are (several posts of it on the 'Tube):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkuBjik4O-g

imdb says also incl. Bockris, Xgau, some others you might not care to see/hear.

I remember Cale's Beethoven t-shirt, I had the same one at some point, wish i still had it!

Yeah had SBS on video so watched several times. Cale looking really heavy at the time did he give up the drink afterwards or something cos he lost weight again by Songs For Drella.

In his variously titled book on Nico, James Young takes about how when he first worked with John Cale he was drinking daily crates of ale but then later on he was playing squash and running up stairs.

When the Happy Mondays hired Cale to produce their debut, they were stoked to get the chance to party and do drugs with him, but ultimately were disappointed when confronted with a newly sober man who was constantly eating clementines.

The Barbara Rubin documentary is excellent (couple of years old). She was right in the middle of a Warhol-Velvets-Dylan triangle.

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Yeah watched this on Friday and oddly enough an interesting counterpart to Haynes. Also features Taubin, who also talks about 'Kiss' by Warhol. This could just never succeed, they threw a rock shape along with other stuff that was repressed at the time. Rubin's last act in joining an orthodox Jewish group was almost like another taboo to her friends.

I saw this a while ago, was this on BBC4 first?

Todd Haynes did an amazing job on that movie. There was a lot of interesting film and imagery to tap for such a film but I thought it was really beautiful how it came together. I really think it might be the best music documentary I have ever seen and one I would have loved to saw on a big screen for the first time.

I pretty much watched it once and then went back and watched it again and probably will do so again. There is so much visual data in that thing with split screens and multiple screen sections, I think it will hold up to many viewings. Just killer.

I saw this a while ago, was this on BBC4 first?

― Des Weerelds Dool-om-berg ont-doold op Dool-in-bergh (Tom D.), Sunday, 7 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Saw it on Sky arts

they threw a rock shape What did you mean? I Have an idea given context of sentence, but don't want to project/presume.

Just finished it. Geeta OTM.

although this thread makes me want to reconsider

Maybe also compare it with that '86 VU doc linked upthread a little ways.

Been trying to remember that "Reprise recording artist, mister personality, Donnie Brooks with" Pinnie the poo" for some time. I mean, wtf?

they threw a rock shape What did you mean? I Have an idea given context of sentence, but don't want to project/presume.

― dow, Sunday, 7 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Just that rock n'roll was one part of the VU jigsaw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy7SvZQfeBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjtD8A-MWBc

All of that sounds like stuff that's made money, which is (and I'm sorry to say) not allowed in the VU thread

Well--occurred to me this afternoon, while pondering the doc's connection between xpost Everly Brothers' version of "Love Hurts" and "Sweet Jane"---which I hear more in the VU's slower version w the bridge restored, on Live In 1969, for instance---that J. Geils Band seem to have lifted template of the Loaded "SJ" for "Love Stinks"--validating Reed's and Yule's faith in this album's commercial potential--but somehow I don't think Reed was gratified.
On a less stinky note, I mentioned the Barbara Rubin doc to a longtime penpal (linking the xpost VU '86 doc that Rubin talk reminded me of), and now Lucy says: My old neighbor Rosebud was Barbara Rubin's best friend, and was present when she introduced the VU to Warhol at the Café Bizarre on Macdougal Street in 1965.

*Some* of the template.

this movie would be better if it had animated sequences reenacting the band's stories while going through their catalog chronologically and podcast hosts weighed in on the albums.

I would like to see popular YouTubers reacting to the interviewees and footage in a side window

Lol at these last two

I loved Moe's crankiness. Also, hearing the live recordings in a focused setting I was reminded how great her drumming is

Prob my favourite thing in the entire doc was when they talked about going on tour and they show a picture of Nico driving the tour van and I thought "of course Nico was doing all the driving she was probably TM'ing as well"

Lou…was not a great driver, to say the least, unlike his unacknowledged hero Bob Dylan.

Doc should be NPR/Podcast style:

Voiceover: "What if I told you that this band only sold 10,000 records, but everyone who bought one started a band."

Spend five useless episodes trying to track down some doo wop lyrics Lou wrote in the early 60s.

What does "TM'ing" mean?

Is it something Mike Love and David Lynch do?

Love everything about the Velvet Underground doc, but extra love Peter Falk going to an Exploding Plastic Inevitable night. pic.twitter.com/0OiTwEN0pm

— Alex R. Johnson (@HaciendaFilms) November 10, 2021

So that's where he got that eye

Looks like Columbo, lookin' for Gena, "Hi how are ya, hi, oops, ah, excuse me ma'am, have you seen my wife?"

TM = tour managing? Although there's an interview where Jackson Browne calls Nico "a force of chaos. Nobody ever said, 'Oh, here comes Nico, now all our problems are going to be straightened out'".

She tried, though! The Ig said she taught him things, also cooked, but so highly seasoned, the Stooges couldn't eat it (she was living with them in that olde theater, the one w Stooges poo in the boxes, the ones up where the swells sat)(as Ig also recalled---good times)

She's really trying/ready to be interesting in La Dolce Vita, and what the hell, she made the cut.

Seem to have a strong recollection of one thing she taught Iggy, something Cybill Shepherd was unable to teach Elvis, hope that’s not TMI.

Is it something Mike Love and David Lynch do?

Haha I thought of transcendental meditation and Toastmasters but was guessing it wasn't either.

tbf she'd a be a terrific toastmaster, no wedding ceremony complete w/o "janitor of lunacy"