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> here’s the UK case graph. and before you say “yes but deaths are low” there are still about 150 people dying every day from it

and it infuriates me that people say that this is half what it used to be as if that makes it ok.

been looking up places to get my booster and they are odd. a tiny corner chemist or somewhere that's open for a couple of hours 3 times a week.

koogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 04:23 (two years ago) link

Found a local non-chain pharmacy that took walk-ins only--no appointments--and got my booster there first thing this morning after standing in line for 45 mins.

Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 04:29 (two years ago) link

I had my booster yesterday - everything said it was in a small chemist but when you actually got there a completely different building had been taken over. Had to drive for an hour to get there though, our county isn't getting any until next month and for other health reasons we wanted to get as soon as eligible.

We were AZ for the first two but Pfizer this time, ironically I read a study last night that suggests early results show mixing technology provides better results compared to a third of the same.

Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 08:42 (two years ago) link

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5022182,-0.227701,3a,57.1y,308.98h,94.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shVL1ohhfVT4syW7CSIDorg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

3.6 / 5.0 on google reviews.

"Small, not very friendly customer support."

koogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 09:24 (two years ago) link

Similar story with my booster: what was clearly an out-of-business hairdressers in West Dulwich, with a temporary sign. But it's been a vaccination centre for a while now; gf got her 2nd there in the summer.

Booking system had gone offline when I arrived - 25+ in front of me in the queue. (Un)fortunately, half gave up and I was in and out in 45min. (First two, at a church in Thornton Heath, were 5min jobs). Protocols in SE21 scrupulously observed - 100% masks and occupancy limits in shops, like it was early 2021 or somesuch. Funny how you have these little microclimates - a mile down the road and it's 2019.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:42 (two years ago) link

looking pretty dire in Europe

siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:37 (two years ago) link

Yeah my mum told me Merkel's saying the numbers in Germany are worrying, but they're lower than the UK - do they have less fully vaccinated ppl?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:54 (two years ago) link

Planning a xmas reunion back in Portugal w/ my wife's French family and so having to keep tabs on the situation in three different countries :/

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:54 (two years ago) link

Older population surely the key factor in Germany

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:55 (two years ago) link

my mumm was told that the mandatory 15 minute wait afterwards is ruling out some places without the space for it. but i can't imagine the chemist above has much (safe) space.

samira ahmed posted a pic of her post-jab wait on twitter in some church or other, not on the goldhawk road opposite paddy power.

(first two jabs were in an used commmercial unit next to sainsburys, all breezeblocks and plasterboard)

(and how did you swing that mike? my 6 months isn't up until 10th december)

koogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:02 (two years ago) link

Video might be useful re Germany

Germany urges people to get their booster shots, as COVID-19 cases soar to record levels. But it's a long wait in line for many. pic.twitter.com/oz4WWUT1uZ

— DW News (@dwnews) November 24, 2021

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:15 (two years ago) link

(and how did you swing that mike? my 6 months isn't up until 10th december)

My AZ jabs were Mar 20 and May 14. I got a text inviting me to book booster evening of Nov 12, and Nov 20 was first available date that worked for me.
I think I was the cohort after you for the first jab, when it was possible to pre-book jab #2 with a 12-week gap? I didn't get offered pre-book, but then they changed the rules and got invited to book #2 after only seven weeks. (Pam is the same - before me with #1, some weeks after with #2 and #3).

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link

Xps yeah I was thinking of vaccine holdouts & lockdown protests as much as the rise in cases, all dire. That quote from the German health minister was wild

siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link

> Mar 20 and May 14

Mar 21 but then Jun 10

yeah, was exactly as you say, and i figured cancelling and rebook was just gonna complicate things.

koogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link

Everything feels so damn bleak again, this is relentless. While I'm not surprised that we are seeing another huge surge right now, that doesn't mean I'm not angry and frustrated by it all the same, given how the severity was completely avoidable. I just feel so... stuck. The unvaccinated holdouts get to determine the fate for all of us, like it or not. It's so disheartening to be reminded of that every other day. I mean, my gut wants to just say, "fuck 'em" and let this burn through the unvaccinated as quickly as possible. But that throws in a lot of still ineligible and immunocompromised in with them at risk. Also, the more this circulates through the unvaccinated, the more the chance for mutation.

I don't have the answer. I'd like to see more immediate and harsh consequences for opting out but, fuck, it's going the other direction.

Not to doompost, but.. holy fuck this is soul crushing.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link

Look, get your kids vaccinated and enjoy the company of the vaccinated, which, presumably is most everyone you care about.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:36 (two years ago) link

Yep, wife and I are double vaxxed and boosted, kid is halfway there. Doing all we can, but doesn't mean that the effects still aren't hitting us though. Minor, of course, but kid still can't do 80% of the after-school activities he'd normally be doing since they cancelled them all with the cold weather and rising cases. Trip planned for next month to meet up with friends scratched, yet again, due to concerns with immunocompromised family members. Just tired of staring down year three with so much still put on hold.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:48 (two years ago) link

If you're still up for it, plan a trip with jabbed friends.

If it's any consolation, Florida endured in late July and August what y'all in the Midwest did. Hopefully it's a spike, not a surge.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link

In other news, jon, if I've read between the lines correctly we will soon share an employer. In part because I am done waiting for my enormous company to issue the vaccine mandate that they clearly have no interest in issuing. There was no way in hell I was gonna ride out the winter in that place.

Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link

Wow, congrats! Glad you can get out of that situation.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link

Holy shit, did not expect this particular anti-vaxx bullshit article to be published by the Chicago Reader of all places. Appears to be one of the co-owners of the paper forced it through to be published, but holy shit, I've lost a lot of respect for this paper. Dude even goes down the "ivermectin" route. Can't believe there wasn't a Q shout-out at the end.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 20:53 (two years ago) link

And the "defense" by the EIC makes it even worse!

✍️ A note to Reader staff from co-publisher/co-EIC Karen Hawkins: pic.twitter.com/dJKFle8IAa

— Chicago Reader (@Chicago_Reader) November 24, 2021

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link

"my friend made me feel bad so I had to run with this"

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link

wtf!?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link

Rightfully getting absolutely thrashed on Twitter for running this, even by beloved Chicago thrash bands:

It’s still fucked though

— Oozing Wound (@OozingWound) November 24, 2021

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link

BRB, sending the co-EIC of the Chicago Reader an op-ed about how people should be able to cook and eat her kids if they really really want to. Given her stance on open argument and providing all sides a platform no matter how legitimately insane, I look forward to its publication in the next edition.

Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link

that would be young lunch, kind of a departure for your brand

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link

You let your food sit out for seven years before tucking in?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link

"not because he's owner of the paper"

but also not NOT because of that, know what I mean

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:07 (two years ago) link

The B.1.1.529 variant is one to keep an eye on. Lots of novel mutations. Thread by Prof. Christina Pagel summarizing today's briefing by the South African ministry of health.

worst boy (Sanpaku), Thursday, 25 November 2021 16:24 (two years ago) link

you couldn't wait until AFTER the holiday, could you?

(j/k, awesome news)

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 November 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link

i'm done getting panicked over every little "scary" variant until we actually have more data. we've already panicked over Lambda, Mu, etc, none of which wound up able to supplant Delta or were the scariants that they were purported to be. the time for action now is amongst the experts researching it, and I'll follow whatever they say when they give guidance. until then, though, I have no mental real estate for worry. not after the last two hell years.

now yes, this one appears different in that it does seem to be supplanting Delta in SA, whereas the other scariants early on seemed to show they couldn't get a foothold, but there's little I can do that I'm not already doing. boosted out the wazoo, and as of Monday, my entire household will be, I still mask....

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link

This tweet seems like the core of that thread:

The sheer increase on these charts is very worrying and suggests that B.1.1.529 might have significant advantages over Delta and C.1.2. What exactly this advantage is and how it breaks down between immune escape and transmissibility is not yet known.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 November 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link

Oof. This one looks legit. Happy thanksgiving.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link

a more even-handed summary: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03552-w

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link

Friendly reminder that new variants are just that: new. We can’t know if they will be bad or just meh based on sequence alone, nor guess at their provenance. Lots of mutations ≠ very bad.

This Thanksgiving, I remain grateful for genomic surveillance & safe, effective vaccines. https://t.co/Zx0jKoyNh0

— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) November 25, 2021

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link

Virologists—including myself—are concerned. But I don’t think anyone can conclude based on the data we have so far that we are screwed. There are actions we need to take, starting with providing lots of support to South Africa to enable public health measures and vaccination.

— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) November 25, 2021

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:44 (two years ago) link

UK have just added 6 southern African countries to the travel red list.

kinder, Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link

another challenge is that prevalence of Delta is low in South Africa because up until recently, cases themselves were low, so it's hard to tell whether it would actually overtake in a Delta in a country that has a high rate of Delta.

Correct. The low incidence of Delta in SA kinda means that Nu becoming dominant is weaker evidence of it “outcompeting” it when there really wasn’t much to outcompete so to speak. https://t.co/gHzNyLmQOg

— Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉🔜 MFF (@sailorrooscout) November 25, 2021

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link

xpost it's probably the right move, being precautious. just not a fan of how twitter has already moved into "we're back to square one, the vaccines are obsolete" territory. Eric Feigl-Ding is cumming in his sock right now

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link

Some key words in that tweet I cited: "suggests", "might have", "not yet known". otoh, if we panic now, we can avoid the coming holiday rush.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:47 (two years ago) link

(also, sadly it's occurring in a country that is only 24% vaccinated, which is another confounder)

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:47 (two years ago) link

and one more.

which isn't to say this won't be the Big Bad Wolf, but let's remain calm because it's far from a certainty

Important thing to keep in mind:
- We don't know what other factors may be helping spread, for example, an event or recent behaviour change
- SA has a low vax rate - 28% 1dose, 24% 2dose. Immune evasion may not be needed to spread. Fitness could differ in higher-vax countries.

— Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66) November 25, 2021

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:49 (two years ago) link

Lol Christina Pagel is an indie sage doomer who doesn’t work in immunology, vaccinology or anything relevant. I’d go so far as to say her opinion is worth less than Eric Feigl-Ding’s.

is that it is going to take a lot to fully evade these and again, looking at an area of low vaccination and this variant is not a reflection of an area of high vaccination and this variant.

— Chise 🧬🧫🦠💉🔜 MFF (@sailorrooscout) November 25, 2021

Twitter account that goes by Chise has called this pretty accurately for most part, not surprising considering they actually worked on the Moderna vaccine

mardheamac (gyac), Thursday, 25 November 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

Also want to point out for double lolz that she has been a total lockdown doomer and yet was posting about going shopping with covid symptoms the other day “I was convinced we didn’t have it bEcAuSe WeD bEeN sO cArEfUl”

mardheamac (gyac), Thursday, 25 November 2021 22:01 (two years ago) link

Also

There we go: it's a backlog of antigen tests added to the cumulative total. Importantly, "The estimated number of new cases for 23 Nov 2021 is 868" https://t.co/1v2IAuYTq3

— Edouard Mathieu (@redouad) November 25, 2021

mardheamac (gyac), Thursday, 25 November 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link

just not a fan of how twitter has already moved into "we're back to square one, the vaccines are obsolete" territory

twitter is talking about cat pictures and missing Doctor Who episodes now, it’s safe to go back :)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 25 November 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link

🐦[Virologists—including myself—are concerned. But I don’t think anyone can conclude based on the data we have so far that we are screwed. There are actions we need to take, starting with providing lots of support to South Africa to enable public health measures and vaccination.
— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) November 25, 2021🕸]🐦


The last sentence is what makes me nervous.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 November 2021 23:31 (two years ago) link


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