Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

Right. He can’t remember playing on it?

ohhh sorry thought you were wondering why him

XPost correct

he remembers perfectly well it's just more yule erasure by the metal establishment

my thought on greil's grasp of avant-garde film is that i don't think he's a scholar (not the way amy taubin is a scholar for example) but he def has a feel for the territory: perhaps from thinking abt (of course) debord (soc-spec, howlings, in girum…) and he's written abt bruce conner back in the day (i know bcz i ran a nice piece by him in the wife when i had that power) so

the WIRE

borat voice: my WIRE

Autocorrect is a scourge

it is but this was absolutely fat fingers

It’s my wire and it’s my lyre

“Take my Wire, please!”

Autocorrect is a scourge

Before the scourge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDm_cptMRNI

I used to think Gerard was a joke with all that whip dancing, but I’m starting to warm up to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfUkipNBq70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGrMhyqcI08

I’ve decided I like Mary Woronov much better when she is talking about her own would-be boyfriends and dishing on the other Factory denizens rather than just shooting hippie Phfishes in barrels.

Swimming Underground: My Time at Andy Warhol’s Factory (the subtitle sometimes changes) is really well-written, for one thing.

Never knew about this guy: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/arts/allen-midgette-an-ersatz-andy-warhol-dies-at-82.html?referringSource=articleShare

The sore thumb in the Greil piece is the Godard quote, which he really doesn't need: I've done it too, it's a crutch, it's overselling, it's a little touch of (I guess unwitting)self-parody (has he written so much about Elvis that he's a little touch off Elvis), it's too late to stage an intervention, but it's also the dues we pay to read his music, man, so be it.

But also, far as I know, it's the most vivid mult-d film review-as-tenacious-tracking shot since this one:
https://www.filmcomment.com/article/the-power-the-gory-martin-scorsese-taxi-driver-manny-farber-patricia-patterson/

it's a crutch a symptom of somehow feeling like you need one, no matter how good the rest of it is. Also a symptom of knowing you might be wrong about how good the rest of it is, aieeeeeeeee

also scraping the absolutism off godard is like stripping an insect of its exoskeleton: highly likely it stops doing the work you're requiring of it!

(which come to think of it may actually be GM's underlying half-intuited concept and he ran out of time to hit it more exactly and fashion it less thirstily)

(seeing as there's a haynes-ray connection -- with far from heaven -- that he doesn't make out loud)

"just like nicholas ray said" <-- right there dude

Couldn’t hit it sideways

Always though of Far from Heaven as more Sirk, but yes, Ray fits as well.

lol oops yes

split slightly and caused little rhythmic sirks of red to pulsate gently in the morning sun <-- right there dude

Doug Yule / Doug Sirk, what's the difference?

David O. Selznick/Steve Sesnick etc

ppl coming round to my way of critical thinking at last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkiIwV6m0zk

Another VU:

Michael J. Kramer
@kramermj
The new Todd Haynes doc tries to make the Velvet Underground into the Beatles, while the new Fab Four doc Get Back makes the Beatles into a durational Warholian VU experience.
8:15 AM · Nov 27, 2021· Which was my impression of 1970 Lindsay Hogg making-of Let It Be doc, though I preferred Warhol or whoever made any Warhol-branded film up to that point (did indicate that Yoko was *not* the real prob).

this doesnt seem a very accurate review

No, but I'd like to see him say more about the first part (since Get Back as endurance test or experience does seem plausible [however much it may or may not plausibly compare to Hayes/Warhol/VU], given my Let It Be experience, though it didn't help that I didn't give a shit about most of those songs in the first place, just went to see it because **Beatles**)

VU as Beatles, ? as Yoko, re "breaking up the band": was/is there such a figure, according to some fans?

lou reed iirc

I trusted you not to say that! I meant not a member of the band, but some one too close by, according to some---

Sesnick!

^

Just walked past signed picture of Jonas Mekas at Lincoln Center cinema. #One Thread

Also

ppl coming round to my way of critical thinking at last

Compare use of split screen in the VU doc vs end of Jackson's "Get Back"

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1966/01/14/79280001.html?pageNumber=36

Amazing

Can't see it, no account (have I) sorry thanks.
One last attempt to justify pasting that tweet:
VUare Bizarro World Beatles. Beatles impact: Hot! Fast! Massive! VU: Cool, slow-growing, infiltrating---as Beatley sounds become more niche, going to power pop etc., VU becomes less so, more of a given in punk, new wave, "post-punk"(which as mark says, could also be pre- and para-punk)(I'm paraphrasing).
Beatles stopped touring because things(girls) getting too massive and wild, discovered Epstein had sold off ancillary rights etc, had to keep cranking out records for income, but also overheard was no excuse not to keep slaving away to meet expected standards. also flooding the market no excuse because it didn't happen because they were the Beatles, prisoners of success.
VU made all their money playing out, records mostly sounded like bootleg. VU not prisoners of success.
Beatles media, incl. making movies and having press conference. VU multi- media when working w light show, only "movies" silent footage and Lou's Warhol "Screen Test," no press conferences per se that I know of, or that they were known for (I'm old, had contacts, would have heard about it).
More?

I meant *overhead* (not "overheard") was no excuse to slack: They could afford (the studio time it took) to keep slaving away, because they kept slaving away, and people bought fruits of their labors

Sorry, that link is to an article about The Velvets's first Warhol gig, an infamous event at Delmonico's for The New York Society For Clinical Psychiatry.

Not Secure but: http://smironne.free.fr/NICO/FILMS/delmo.html

Nice