it is but this was absolutely fat fingers
― mark s, Friday, 26 November 2021 11:54 (two years ago) link
It’s my wire and it’s my lyre
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 11:56 (two years ago) link
“Take my Wire, please!”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 26 November 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link
Autocorrect is a scourge
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 12:29 (two years ago) link
Before the scourge:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDm_cptMRNI
I used to think Gerard was a joke with all that whip dancing, but I’m starting to warm up to him.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 13:58 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfUkipNBq70
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGrMhyqcI08
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link
I’ve decided I like Mary Woronov much better when she is talking about her own would-be boyfriends and dishing on the other Factory denizens rather than just shooting hippie Phfishes in barrels.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 22:01 (two years ago) link
Swimming Underground: My Time at Andy Warhol’s Factory (the subtitle sometimes changes) is really well-written, for one thing.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link
Never knew about this guy: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/arts/allen-midgette-an-ersatz-andy-warhol-dies-at-82.html?referringSource=articleShare
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 November 2021 23:00 (two years ago) link
The sore thumb in the Greil piece is the Godard quote, which he really doesn't need: I've done it too, it's a crutch, it's overselling, it's a little touch of (I guess unwitting)self-parody (has he written so much about Elvis that he's a little touch off Elvis), it's too late to stage an intervention, but it's also the dues we pay to read his music, man, so be it.
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link
But also, far as I know, it's the most vivid mult-d film review-as-tenacious-tracking shot since this one:https://www.filmcomment.com/article/the-power-the-gory-martin-scorsese-taxi-driver-manny-farber-patricia-patterson/
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 03:15 (two years ago) link
it's a crutch a symptom of somehow feeling like you need one, no matter how good the rest of it is. Also a symptom of knowing you might be wrong about how good the rest of it is, aieeeeeeeee
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
also scraping the absolutism off godard is like stripping an insect of its exoskeleton: highly likely it stops doing the work you're requiring of it!
(which come to think of it may actually be GM's underlying half-intuited concept and he ran out of time to hit it more exactly and fashion it less thirstily)
(seeing as there's a haynes-ray connection -- with far from heaven -- that he doesn't make out loud)
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 12:08 (two years ago) link
"just like nicholas ray said" <-- right there dude
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 12:09 (two years ago) link
Couldn’t hit it sideways
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:02 (two years ago) link
Always though of Far from Heaven as more Sirk, but yes, Ray fits as well.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link
lol oops yes
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link
split slightly and caused little rhythmic sirks of red to pulsate gently in the morning sun <-- right there dude
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link
Doug Yule / Doug Sirk, what's the difference?
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link
David O. Selznick/Steve Sesnick etc
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
ppl coming round to my way of critical thinking at last
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:25 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkiIwV6m0zk
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
Another VU:Michael J. Kramer@kramermjThe new Todd Haynes doc tries to make the Velvet Underground into the Beatles, while the new Fab Four doc Get Back makes the Beatles into a durational Warholian VU experience.8:15 AM · Nov 27, 2021· Which was my impression of 1970 Lindsay Hogg making-of Let It Be doc, though I preferred Warhol or whoever made any Warhol-branded film up to that point (did indicate that Yoko was *not* the real prob).
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
this doesnt seem a very accurate review
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
No, but I'd like to see him say more about the first part (since Get Back as endurance test or experience does seem plausible [however much it may or may not plausibly compare to Hayes/Warhol/VU], given my Let It Be experience, though it didn't help that I didn't give a shit about most of those songs in the first place, just went to see it because **Beatles**)
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
VU as Beatles, ? as Yoko, re "breaking up the band": was/is there such a figure, according to some fans?
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
lou reed iirc
― mark s, Saturday, 27 November 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
I trusted you not to say that! I meant not a member of the band, but some one too close by, according to some---
― dow, Saturday, 27 November 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link
Sesnick!
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 November 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
^
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
Just walked past signed picture of Jonas Mekas at Lincoln Center cinema. #One Thread
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link
Also
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 November 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
Compare use of split screen in the VU doc vs end of Jackson's "Get Back"
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 27 November 2021 22:49 (two years ago) link
https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1966/01/14/79280001.html?pageNumber=36
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 01:41 (two years ago) link
Amazing
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 28 November 2021 01:51 (two years ago) link
Can't see it, no account (have I) sorry thanks.One last attempt to justify pasting that tweet:VUare Bizarro World Beatles. Beatles impact: Hot! Fast! Massive! VU: Cool, slow-growing, infiltrating---as Beatley sounds become more niche, going to power pop etc., VU becomes less so, more of a given in punk, new wave, "post-punk"(which as mark says, could also be pre- and para-punk)(I'm paraphrasing).Beatles stopped touring because things(girls) getting too massive and wild, discovered Epstein had sold off ancillary rights etc, had to keep cranking out records for income, but also overheard was no excuse not to keep slaving away to meet expected standards. also flooding the market no excuse because it didn't happen because they were the Beatles, prisoners of success.VU made all their money playing out, records mostly sounded like bootleg. VU not prisoners of success.Beatles media, incl. making movies and having press conference. VU multi- media when working w light show, only "movies" silent footage and Lou's Warhol "Screen Test," no press conferences per se that I know of, or that they were known for (I'm old, had contacts, would have heard about it).More?
― dow, Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:25 (two years ago) link
I meant *overhead* (not "overheard") was no excuse to slack: They could afford (the studio time it took) to keep slaving away, because they kept slaving away, and people bought fruits of their labors
― dow, Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:31 (two years ago) link
Sorry, that link is to an article about The Velvets's first Warhol gig, an infamous event at Delmonico's for The New York Society For Clinical Psychiatry.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link
Not Secure but: http://smironne.free.fr/NICO/FILMS/delmo.html
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:40 (two years ago) link
Nice
― calstars, Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:41 (two years ago) link
Apparently that was also pretty much the last time Edie hung with them. She sat there with Bob Neuwirth watching Nico sing ("I'll Keep It With Mine"?) and realizing it was over as she herself tried to sing along, at least according to Gerard according to Andy.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:45 (two years ago) link
I don't think it was one of the incarnations of Delmonico's restaurant, seems to have been the Hotel Delmonico, now named after someone else.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
Think that article neglects to mention Barbara Rubin and comoany going around the room shoving microphones at the shrinks to harass them with invasive questions about their love lives before the VU performance.
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
And
The event is also covered by the New York Herald Tribune, for whom Seymour Krim writes: “The neo-Jungians, Harry Black Sullivanites, existentialists and just plain bread-and-butter head doctors got an electric shock treatment they’ll never forget…While blinding sun-gun lights bombed the dress-suited psychiatrists as they attacked roast beef and red wine, movie cameras ground away, the Velvet Underground rock outfit began pounding the beat as if it were fire-engine time, and underground film star Edie Sedgwick began to shake it while poet Gerard Malanga went into his Whip Dance. The first five Freudians left in a huff. Dr. Marcel Heiman, as striking-looking as any underground actor but very much a street-level gent with an office on Fifth Avenue, said, ‘I’m ready to vomit.’” The performance even gets a mention in Newsweek later in the month. Oddly, Seymour Krim’s story suggests there are currently several vocalists involved with the Velvets. “Inside the ballroom,” he writes, “singers Nico, Jane Odin, and Chic Cicarelli added to the unaccustomed spire in the hardworking analysts’ lives by dishing up Bob Dylan-negro-blues-bossa-nova-type material while the Velvet Underground blasted the room with high-decibel sounds.” It seems most likely, however, that Odin and Cicarelli have joined in informally, as their names will not pop up again in the VU saga.Unterberger, Richie; Unterberger, Richie. White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day-By-Day (Revised & Expanded Ebook Edition) (pp. 208-209)
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
Bob Dylan-negro-blues-bossa-nova-type material while the Velvet Underground blasted the room with high-decibel sounds.” AKA what shrinks used to call BREAKTHROUGH--thanks James! And thanks, Seymour KRIM!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Krim
― dow, Sunday, 28 November 2021 05:11 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3WMbxheyaQ
― Duck and Sally Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2021 06:29 (two years ago) link
Just read this whole thread off the back of watching the doc - excellent use of a Sunday fyi. Now diving into all the live material which somehow I mostly haven't listened to.
VUare Bizarro World Beatles
Yes! Underrated/band-defining drummer; career trajectory converging to dashed-off stories about Sweet Loretta Jane, Lonesome Cowboy Bill, Rocky Raccoon, Sweet Jane, etc; person called John. Basically the same band.
― Vangelis fleadh (seandalai), Sunday, 6 February 2022 22:42 (two years ago) link
Thought the doc did a great job of illustrating the context for the band: how these people found themselves in this place at this time, making this music. Less good at what happened once they were doing actual band stuff imo.
― Vangelis fleadh (seandalai), Sunday, 6 February 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link