Is the US a dystopia?

I figured it was what it was for.

least serious answer is the correct one

by that you mean "yes"?

oh misread "least" as "last" nevermind

This question is unhelpful and I have no idea why it is being asked.

Badly trimmed shrub = dystopiary

Dropped the clay - dyspottery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeu3iH0R_GM

I mean, pulling up the forecast today and seeing tornado warnings for Chicago in mid-December doesn't make me not think it's a dystopia.

an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic.

not imagined, authoritarian rather than totalitarian and pre-apocalyptic instead of post IMO

so maybe it's not a dystopia but merely dystopic

dystopic? I dunno. but ilx is def dyspeptic today.

I did not remotely intend this thread to be serious, but there's an argument to be made that 1492 counts as the apocalypse

Can the apocalypse be local?

Americans rly struggle with not being the world and i think its quite telling tbh

let it beatles

Climate catastrophe is going to be pretty universal IIRC.

which is v little to do with the point about 1492 is it

you can get with dystopia, or you can get with datopia

just throwing this out there but maybe dystopia fans are blind to dystopias

I dunno I think most fans of the crust punk band Dystopia probably would agree that the USA is a dystopia fwiw

let me see, is the US a dystopia.

the republican party is trying to actively KILL a lot of people. let me just see how that plays in the polls

The approval rating among those who voted for [Biden] has dropped from 80% to 69% in the April survey. There have been notable declines among Americans 18-34 and suburban residents, both of whom, in dramatic swings, now register net negative views on the president.

As bad as Biden’s number may be, the polling data for Democrats in Congress is far worse.

Republicans now sport a historic 10-point advantage when Americans are asked which party they prefer to control Congress, holding a 44%-34% margin over Democrats. That’s up from a 2-point Republican advantage in the October survey.

In the past 20 years, CNBC and NBC surveys have never registered a double-digit Republican advantage on congressional preference, with the largest lead ever being 4 pints for the GOP.

“If the election were tomorrow, it would be an absolute unmitigated disaster for the Democrats,″ said Jay Campbell, partner at Hart Research Associates and the Democratic pollster for the survey.

yes it's a full blown dystopia

nah but rich people have never had it better tho

A 4 pint lead is difficult to overcome tbh. sorry

Can the apocalypse be local?

Americans rly struggle with not being the world and i think its quite telling tbh

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, December 10, 2021 8:10 PM (one hour ago)

I was addressing "the apocalypse" that it could be argued helps to confirm the US as a dystopia, the subject of this important poll. So I guess I do think it can be local, idk, why not? Anyway Columbus never even entered future-US territory, it's more of a symbolic hinge year for everything being terrible from then on

I'd figure most people using the term think in the sense of dystopian science fiction and I kinda think 2021 has quite a few elements that seem like out of such.

There's no utopia that's not someone's dystopia, and vice versa.

The notion of local dystopias is an interesting one. Could be that there was an egalitarian paradise unfolding just a continent or two over from Mad Max.

If the US ticks all the boxes- and there's a case- then clearly plenty of very nice places to live in exist besides so id say thats a clear yes

Have we ever not been? Slave state — apartheid state — Vietnam/Watergate — Corporate state — Fury Road (2016-present)

the people in the mayfield candle factory that collapsed worked 12-hour shifts that paid $8 an hour. 110 ppl were inside. 40 ppl are still unaccounted for. they haven’t recovered a survivor since 3 am. pic.twitter.com/CsIIfLw3Pc

— Tracy Moore (@iusedtobepoor) December 11, 2021

it’s legal in kentucky to fire someone for refusing to work mandatory overtime

— Tracy Moore (@iusedtobepoor) December 11, 2021

The notion of local dystopias is an interesting one. Could be that there was an egalitarian paradise unfolding just a continent or two over from Mad Max.

Zardoz is another one. Although The Eternals are mainly a bunch of insufferable bores and their egalitarian paradise is pretty lame, but you wouldn't complain about it if you were being held captive by Charlotte Rampling.

Slave state — apartheid state — Vietnam/Watergate — Corporate state — Fury Road (2016-present)

We didn't start the fire, etc.

Let's see what all we have...you got this one.

US combined laissez-faire capitalism on it's drug industry and combined with heroin blow-back from the 'war on terror' created the opioid epidemic for fun and profit killing over a million Americans since 1999.

Getting back to the topic at hand, Le Guin wrote a book about a moon. Also was there some Cold War global political framework in her gender-bender book? I don't recall.

Climate catastrophe is going to be pretty universal IIRC.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:14 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

which is v little to do with the point about 1492 is it

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:17 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It is though (unless I'm misreading). The USA is the biggest historical contributor to the climate crisis. An argument could be made that if 1492 never happened, there would be no global crisis. Same for much of global environmental destruction -- Amazon forest all gone? Thank Ronald McDonald.

Local teachers in South Dakota “Dash for Cash” to help their classrooms by fighting over $5,000 in $1 bills while the crowd hoots and hollers. pic.twitter.com/azwGJKhaKU

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) December 12, 2021

they're going to remove that rug at some point

and then charge them for it!

An argument could be made that if 1492 never happened, there would be no global crisis.

Are we talking a world where Europe never came into contact with the Americas?

I can’t live without potatoes

-LL McCooljay

It would have happened eventually.

I can’t live without potatoes

OTM

Lol, Neanderthal.

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— Sam Biddle (@samfbiddle) December 13, 2021

It would have happened eventually.

Right but I'm saying the timeline where America turns the Earth into a toilet wasn't necessarily predetermined.

Maybe ecocide is the dharma of the human race idk.

this is all god's fault. god put the oil in the ground, fully formed, 8000 years ago

it was all predetermined

idk these guys predicted it pretty early

https://i.ibb.co/f4P96K0/index.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/cFmrLPX/index.jpg

Great Recession unemployment insurance was awesome! Just when you thought it was coming to an end, they'd re-up you... did a lot of day partying, all my buddies were similarly unemployed

lotta people criticized my friends for staying on it so long but it's like come on, they're gonna be paying into this system for 40-50 years, let 'em have it now. and it's not like there was a lot of steady work around. they weren't like...*not* trying to get a job, but they weren't exactly trying to get one either (it was pretty well known which places you could apply to with basically no chance of landing anything)

My GF at the time was like "So... are you even looking for work?" with a frown

I would do under the table odd jobs but I didn't want to jeopardize that sweet federal gravy train

i feel like i've always worked. full time for 40 years or so. i had a paper route for years before i was 16. it kinda sucked and i don't know why i did it that long. i made like no money doing it. i did odd jobs too for whatever money anyone would give me. also, i would wake up early every sunday morning at around 6am and go across the street to the village store and put together all the sunday new york times by hand. they came in bundles of sections back then. you lined up all the sections in order and then it was like an assembly line. a hundred papers took awhile. i would get paid five bucks and two apple turnovers. i smelled like the new york times all day every sunday when i was a kid.

Strangely - I had a few old skateboarding buddies who helped create the Great Recession. They'd all moved down to somewhere in Orange County (I think Laguna Beach or Santa Ana, not sure) and were selling these amazing new mortgages at a very bro Glengarry type office.

"Andy, you want to buy a house? Let's get you into a new home!"
"I don't have any money."
"That's the thing - you don't neeed any money! And you can take loans against the property!"

I think OC was the subprime epicenter for awhile, and then spread all over the place.. I wanted nothing to do with it, but these guys were making bank until it all fell apart

well sheeeit i’m like— and then?

i "worked" more or less off and on from about the age of 14 (minimum legal age, working as a library page) until about... 27, i guess. had a probably-gender-dysphoria-related nervous breakdown in '03, lived with my mom in florida for a couple years, got addicted to benzos at the free clinic, stumbled into a job in '08 that i stuck with for the next eight years, until the company got taken over by a republican grifter who embezzled our raises and ran the company into the ground. i quit, moved to portland on the money from my dad's estate (he'd just died), immediately got a professional job, and i've been hanging on there ever since. the current company i'm at has been taken over by grifters who are running the company into the ground (i think they're at least democrats, though i could be wrong on that), but i don't really got anywhere else to go right now. my friends are either losing their jobs left and right, no explanation given, "right to work", nobody has to give one, or else grimly hanging on to meaningless and/or outright evil work. my workplace has paid for three month-long intensive outpatient mental health programs and three six-week programs of transcranial magnetic stimulation during the time i've been there. i guess it's starting to be routine - when my short-term disability gets replenished from last year, it's time to go into another intensive outpatient program. right now i'm doing a six month DBT program, not full-fidelity but closer than most people can get. occasionally i apply to jobs at different places, but the people who work there say that work there is awful as well. it's hard to say for sure. i used to feel like i was racing against time, that if i just held on until things changed that it'd be ok, that at some point it would be obvious enough that shit wasn't working that _somebody_ would have to do _something_, but i got tired of living my life waiting for things to somehow miraculously get better. maybe this is the best things get from now on. if it is, i guess i'm ok with that.

(the MH outpatient programs and the TMS weren't particularly related to my being trans, FWIW)

I got fired from a restaurant after they figured out I was using stolen manager codes to void off $50-100 every night, thankfully that had given me enough cushion that I got to spend almost four months drunk and unemployed before I got another job as a server.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-education/2024/02/28/school-districts-giving-police-access-to-security-cameras-surveillance/72620671007/

Two of Arizona's largest school districts have decided to give police access to their surveillance systems.

Peoria Unified and Mesa Unified school districts recently approved agreements to grant local police departments access to live school camera feeds during emergencies.

The districts say the partnerships will help police better respond to emergencies by allowing them to immediately locate threats, medical emergencies, large fights or active shooters.

They also say it will help police departments respond appropriately to false alerts or situations that have already been diffused.

"In the world we live in, where we never know what's around the corner," said Allen Moore, Mesa Unified School District's safety and security director. "We just wanted them to have the best tools available so that they can respond with the proper amount of officers and resources."

Amazon Tells Warehouse Workers to Close Their Eyes and Think Happy Thoughts
https://www.404media.co/amazon-amazen-workingwell-savoring/ (free subscription link)

Amazon is telling workers to close their eyes and dream of being somewhere else while they’re standing in a warehouse. A worker in one of Amazon’s fulfillment centers, who we’ve granted anonymity, sent 404 Media a photo they took of a screen imploring them to try “savoring” the idea of something that makes them happy—as in, not being at work, surrounded by robots and packages.

Step 1. Amazon executive hears from warehouse managers that workers are unhappy, gripe a lot to each other and are hard to retain.

Step 2. Amazon executive decides to hire a psychology consultant to combat the "unhappiness problem".

Step 3. Consultant visits some Amazon warehouses, interviews workers, observes the fung shui.

Step 4. Consultant delivers a 153 page report on their findings with 14 recommendations for changes and improvements to raise employee morale, then invoices Amazon for $145,000.

Step 5. Amazon executive convenes a meeting where the recommendations are discussed over catered lunch and 6 of the recommendations are adopted, with another 5 table for later consideration.

Step 6. Memos are sent to warehouse managers, along with Powerpoints for employee training. In accordance with the 6 morale-boosting changes: break rooms are repainted in cheerful colors new vending machines are installed, the first aid supply stations are now to be unlocked and freely accessible, and employees are urged to think happy thoughts. Managers can't implement the other two for lack of budget.

I hope the US collapses.

It's a common saying: You do the crime, you do the time. But when people are released from prison, freedom is fragmented. It marks the start of new hardships, impacting families and communities.

Part of that is due to a Florida law many people are unaware of, further punishing second-chance citizens, preventing them from truly moving on.

It's called "pay-to-stay", charging inmates for their prison stay, like a hotel they were forced to book. Florida law says that cost, $50 a day, is based on the person's sentence. Even if they are released early, paying for a cell they no longer occupy, and regardless of their ability to pay.

Not only can the state bill an inmate the $50 a day even after they are released, Florida can also impose a new bill on the next occupant of that bed, potentially allowing the state to double, triple, or quadruple charge for the same bed.

Critics call it unconstitutional. Shelby Hoffman calls it a hole with no ladder to climb out.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/pay-to-stay-florida-inmates-charged-for-prison-cells-long-after-incarceration

Damn, this is a soulless law.

jesus, and i cannot stress this enough, fucking christ. what a hellhole this country is.

Within three years, when applying for the exemption to work in case management, her dream job is when Hoffman found out that she — like thousands of others — still owes the state $50 a day for the seven years of her original sentence: $127,750.

not to detract from that evil shit but how about this evil shit

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/04/23/tennessee-bill-concealed-handguns-schools-teachers-staff/73431609007/

Armed teachers, who will be required to undergo training that some opponents have argued is not intensive enough, will be allowed to carry handguns in their classrooms and most campus situations without informing parents and most of their colleagues that they're armed.

and just staying on tennessee for a minute

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tennessee-would-criminalize-helping-minors-get-abortions-under-bill-heading-to-governor/ar-AA1nBqUR

Tennessee is poised to become the second state in the nation to make it illegal for adults to help minors get an abortion without parental consent, a proposal that is likely to face immediate legal challenges should Gov. Bill Lee sign it into law.

Passing those two bills back to back took special gall because the abortion one was sold as a "parental rights" bill — saving parents from having other people take their minor children to have abortions — but the armed-teachers one includes a whole section on confidentiality ensuring that parents have no way to find out which school employees are packing heat or even which schools have armed employees. And they had to clear a whole gallery of enraged moms chanting "BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS" just so the House could vote. "Parental rights" is a fungible concept.

I believe the Tennessee state legislature is actually really fucking deranged. Like literally. They are completely off the reservation.

I used to be like well, at least we’re not Alabama and Mississippi. But now we are

next you know they'll be deporting people to rwanda

Most teachers I wouldn’t worry about them having guns aside from incompetence but there were a couple who strike me as potential problems on their own. The Vietnam vet who trapped a wasp and then proceeded to cut it up on his desk…

I used to be like well, at least we’re not Alabama and Mississippi. But now we are

I know, and a lot of Tennesseans have a hard time believing it. I have to keep telling people that we're the actual literal worst state for a lot of this neo-confederate hateful shit, and close to the worst for the rest of it. There's still a tendency to think we're "normal" or something, we are really extreme. Bill Lee is the worst, the Legislature's terrible, and all of these people are so so so dumb.

oh yay, on to the next school shooting, when by the time they realize what's happening, panicked armed teachers will successfully take down a window, a wall, and a desk, while people still die all around them as before.

next you know they'll be deporting people to rwanda

― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 April 2024 bookmarkflaglink

That's right

Most teachers I wouldn’t worry about them having guns aside from incompetence

See why anyone on this boards listens to you on any topic after saying shit like this is 100% a mystery to me

Do you think those last three words mean I believe the idea is just grand? Incompetent people with guns - generally not good, I think most would agree.

The point was that some teachers are psychos and it won’t surprise me when one shoots a student for misbehaving down the road.

Which is not, as of yet, a problem since the psycho football coach being forced to teach geography has to make the conscious decision to break multiple laws by bringing his Glock to school on a regular basis. Not just removing those decisions but encouraging him to do so will inevitably result in new tragedies.

Much more worried about competence with guns.

i look at where i live and i see a sort of "laissez-faire" dystopia, where people do all kinds of fucked up shit and nobody does anything about it because what are you gonna do? talk to the cops about it?

alabama, tennessee, are they like that too? i don't really _know_ what the rest of the country is like these days. i don't know what "normal" is supposed to be.

stochastic incompetence doesn’t count the same

ahhhh, i don't feel that way. _334_ is a perfectly good dystopia if you ask me. for that matter stochastic incompetence is _part and parcel_ of any true dystopia, the way that incompetence is weaponized against marginalized people without even _needing_ any overt exterminatory action to be taken. that's what makes something a dystopia, when something is enshrined as an institutional norm.

Milo and I often don't see eye to eye but even I know what he meant

(my own 'stochoastic incompetence' comment was pure, unfunny in too too many ways, dark wise assery, sorry all).

no worries, that's one of those instances where the 'tism flared up and i literally didn't recognize the layer of sarcasm lol

Zeno of Elea: "bye, Hon, I'm just running out to the stoa for a few things."

Zeno's wife: "careful, bro - you'll never get there if your plan is to repeatedly travel half the remaining distance."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/25/flint-michigan-water-crisis

Years after the emergency, the Michigan city is yet to replace all lead pipes and affected families are still awaiting justice

replace this whole thread with one of the pictures of SWAT snipers setting up at campus Gaza protests

otm. I'm trying not to spam the board with stuff about the protests, but it sure feels like a police state this morning

It's simple. pic.twitter.com/M6pHdOA4YU

— President Biden (@POTUS) May 1, 2024

I no longer have a Twitter account but that seems destined to become the most-ratioed tweet since Elmo's

I used that exact four-word phrase the other week in a discussion of assisted suicide (I'm very pro-, and think depression is just as valid reason as, say, ALS to pull the plug on oneself). Wonder if President Joe shares my feelings.

quick, it's international workers' day and the cops are busy tear-gassing students protesting genocide, now's the perfect time to overthrow capitalism

going to a rally in a bit, will bump thread later if capitalism overthrown