Now the year is turning and the eeriness comes: what are you reading in autumn 2021?

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i started 'the luminous novel' a while ago, got maybe a third through it. the misogyny is off-putting, there's a casual cruelty about it that i found unappealing. i liked the stuff about early 2000s computers and some other bits and pieces. i'll probably go back and finish it at some point, but i was a little disappointed with how torpid it was after i read some positive reviews of the translation

also read gwendoline riley, 'my phantoms', which i really enjoyed - brilliant portrait of a bloke (the protagonist's dad) who loves puns and bad jokes and nasty, hectoring behaviour in the early part of the novel, v much reminded me of [REDACTED] from my wife's family, and i liked the rest too

and the new sarah hall, 'burntcoat, which was ok. i know a lot of people rate her prose but to me its consistent, enervated luridness means everything hits at the same level and it becomes stew-like, glutinous.

i'm gearing up to read bernadette mayer, 'midwinter day', a true masterpiece. i read her book 'utopia' a while ago, very sad and beautiful

dogs, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link

Looking for a female author published in 2020 or 2021. Her tastes skew dark, sardonic humor.

Otessa Moshfegh? I haven't read "Death in Her Hands" but was published in 2020 and seems to fit the bill.

o. nate, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link

That or... Summerwater by Sarah Moss (sardonic tragedy), Second Place by Rachel Cusk (sardonic art)

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link

Honjin Murders, japanese locked room mystery. told very conversationally. apparently there are 50+ more, almost all of them untranslated. (wikipedia: 77 total, 4 in english)

Anna of The Five Towns, was like gaskell but set in the potteries. would've like more pottery tbh. last page threw me for two separate reasons.

Slaughterhouse V reread.

koogs, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:20 (two years ago) link

Thanks for the recommendations on Barker, Homes, Moshfegh, Moss, and Cusk. She's read several of Moshfegh but I don't think she liked the last one. Will check out the others.

ma dmac's fury road (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 17:51 (two years ago) link

Been a while, but I recall thinking the notorious Dreiser style was serviceable enough in xpost Sister Carrie, despite some outbursts of editorializing (and yeah the plotting seems inevitable and "O shit!" in equal measure). He was a newspaperman after all, got a lot of good material that way; also, while he was still on the farm, his older sisters would sometimes visit from Chicago Frontier Babylon, where they were set up by older men of means. Good descriptions of parts of Chicago as they still were 70-odd years later, when I visited, and still were in a Dreiser doc ca/ 2000, prob still are.
I read this, w "shocking" bits restored, also Jennie Gerhardt, about kind of an alt.. bird-in-a-gilded-cage Carrie (not too stationary, a good social tracking device), and 12 Men, portraits: all three in an LoA omnibus. What else should I read by him?

dow, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link

Talking about journalists turned writer I listened to the current Backlisted yesterday which is about pete Dexter's book Deadwood. I listened thinking it had some tie in to the tv series but apparently at least nothing acknowledged. Sounds like something i need to read though.

As to what else you need to read by Dreiser i couldn't tell you it's taken me a few decades plus however long it's sat around teh flat to get this far. I think I may have had him cited as an influence on Kerouac back when I was reading up on things like that, him and Nathaniel West and the early 20th century Thomas Wolfe of Look, Homeward Angel fame. I thik i did read bits of both Nathaniel West and Thomas Wolfe in the late 80s. But probably need to revisist

Stevolende, Tuesday, 14 December 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link

i'm gearing up to read bernadette mayer, 'midwinter day', a true masterpiece. i read her book 'utopia' a while ago, very sad and beautiful

― dogs, Tuesday, December 14, 2021 7:24 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

She's the absolute best, who are you, let's be friends.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link

I finished Treason by the Book, Jonathan Spence, about a peculiar set of events that revolved around a conspiracy during Qing dynasty China (ca. 1728-32). The multiplicity of characters and places involved, the level of details recounted, and the inescapable cultural strangeness of late imperial China for modern westerners, taken all together make this a difficult sort of book to read. Yet, its very foreignness is its central attraction.

The author understood how challenged his lay readers would be to enter this world and he did an admirable job of smoothing the difficulties as best he could. This is definitely a niche book that explores a curious byway of history. Not for everyone.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link

Trying to decide what's next: a newish book by a friend, or a book by the odd experimental poet Hugh Tribbey, who publishes mainly through POD and obscure online journals, and seems to have spent his entire life in smalltown Oklahoma.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 December 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

the turn of the screw (& other stories)

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 04:39 (two years ago) link

Several things bought and started.

Soldaten Sonke Neither & Harald Welzer the collection of German POW conversation showing their epistemology etc. Supposed to be pretty harrowing. Casual talk of killing civilians etc. Based on transcriptions made at the time.

Ngugi Weep Not Child
My dad knew him from them lecturing at the University of Nairobi in the late 60s.
Think I need to read a load of his work.
It being good and all.

Also got another bell hooks out of the library.
Sisters of the Yam.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 07:24 (two years ago) link

Also Arthur Miller Echoes Down Th e Corridor
a collection of essays spanning about 50 years I'm now in the late 80s/early 90s . he's worried about what teh meaning of German unification post the Berlin Wall coming down is going to mean after living at the time of teh holocaust, been with Harold Pinter at an ambassador's house where Pinter has wound up insulting the ambassador and had to leave and thinks the 2 should pair up to shake things up.
Good collection of essays and it has taken me way too long to get through. I think I borrowed this late summer last year.
I think I've just discovered a much longer set of his essays on the library system which I might look into. That and the rest of his prose, I like his writing.

Audrey lorde Anthology The Cancer Journals
been meaning to read her for a while. Hope i can get hold of a copy of this and another couple of her works cheaply. keeping my eyes peeled while i'm in charity shops and local remaindered ones etc

Still reading Another Tuneless Racket by Steven H Garner
Just read him talking about John Foxx era Ultravox! and interested in picking some up

Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 10:18 (two years ago) link

I've been reading Helen Dewitt's short story collection "Some Trick". I was looking for "Last Samurai" but this was the Dewitt they had at the library. Seems to be a mix of more recent work and some stories from her Oxford student days in the mid-80s. Some stories are more commercial (one was published in Harpers) and some more formally experimental. I generally skim a bit when she delves into post-structuralism, higher calculus, or breaks out the Latin or French, so I'm probably missing a bunch. The more commercial stories are fun - the pace is zippy, the tone knowing but playful. She writes a lot about authors or artists occupying a zone of semi-celebrity not unlike her own, and the gentle absurdities of dealing with publishers, fans, etc. who have a strong relationship to the work but in a very different way than the author.

o. nate, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link

Went with my friend Ted's book, 'AN ORANGE.' It is sort of an inheritor of the New York School---> New Narrative continuum of gossipy, philosophical work that is disarmingly casual while doing some very heavy lifting. I like it, tho it isn't "my thing" poetically.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link

Time Will Darken It by William Maxwell

youn, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link

the anomaly, herve le tellier

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link

Anna Kavan - Ice
Gerald Stern's poems.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link

Time Will Darken It by William Maxwell

― youn, Wednesday, December 15, 2021 4:18 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i love this book!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link

whats up table. i'm a bit of a poetry dilettante, but i love bernadette mayer. i've been making my way slowly through the complete ted berrigan this year too, spent a few pleasant weekend afternoons with a few beers and his poems

i have also started reading alison rumfitt, 'tell me i'm worthless', which i haven't found too much to like in yet, but it's early days, and i started james baldwin's 'another country', which is wonderful

i've been dipping in and out of 'intersecting lives', a joint biography of deleuze and guattari. i always thought guattari was the 'weird' one, but now i'm starting to think it was the other guy, deleuze

dogs, Thursday, 16 December 2021 10:20 (two years ago) link

Deleuze? A weirdo? No way!

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link

Ha, anyway dogs, that's cool that you're into Bernadette's work and have been reading Berrigan. Do you dig Notley, Berrigan's wife at the time of his death? She's great, still alive, too. Here's one of her more famous ones: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50834/at-night-the-states

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link

I finished Ted Dodson's 'AN ORANGE,' and think I'm going to go with Hugh Tribbey's "EF Zero" next

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

My next book is The High Window, Raymond Chandler. It was selected specifically to be easy reading, because I've been agitated and discouraged lately and I need something entertaining and soothing.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 16 December 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link

I think Backlisted did an episode on that one.

Lily Dale, Friday, 17 December 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link

The High Window is the densest Chandler I think. The Backlisted episode is a good one.

I'm reading Jo Ann Beard's The Boys of My Youth. Good enough to feel like I've read it before.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 17 December 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

Aimless, you might also try John D. MacDonald's The Empty Copper Sea: Travis McGee is trying to defend the good name of a friend or acquaintance, but gets as down on himself as he does the slow destruction of Florida by citizens-denizens, who seem as oblivious its and their own decline, for the most part: may be more neurotic than Marlowe, regarding himself as an over-qualified "beach bum," which can affect his behavior, uh-oh. Pretty entertaining.

dow, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link

as oblivious *to* their own decline (incl. ethical) I meant

dow, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link

can we talk about backlisted

coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:01 (two years ago) link

QI is a dismal product... miller really comes across as sort of a blowhard or two, like your nightmare of yourself down the pub (and I can't imagine wanting to look at any of his books)... & there is this clubbiness I can just barely stand, really the opposite of the alleged parasocial value of podcasts (I am glad I am NOT friends w these people!)

and yet I do like it a fair bit

coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:04 (two years ago) link

I basically agree with all of that. It's beyond parody - the clubbable enthusiasm, the lack of any sort of critical acumen, the endless line of posh voices presented as diversity - and I battle with myself for listening to it, but I've found lots of great things.

I read The Year of Reading Dangerously so you don't have to.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link

I'm reading Jo Ann Beard's The Boys of My Youth. Good enough to feel like I've read it before.

― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, December 17, 2021 1:42 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i bought a copy of this for my girlfriend as a christmas present, it is truly the greatest

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:14 (two years ago) link

xp yeah I think I'm just into hearing genuine enthusiasm about books bc I am somewhere between their critical largesse and the reflexive assumption that everything is shit you see elsewhere. also I've never been to an ilb fap. Just wish one time someone would yell "waterstones is a shit chain that doesnt pay a living wage" during one of their reveries

coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:25 (two years ago) link

Tried an EP of backlisted once and couldn't hate it enough but I find book people who just talk books and nothing else hard going.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 December 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link

Chinaski and Brad, have you read The Fourth State of Matter, the essay by Beard?

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link

If not get ready for a big gut punch. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/06/24/the-fourth-state-of-matter

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:26 (two years ago) link

Oh wait, it's in that book. Christ it's good.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:27 (two years ago) link

If the rest of her writing even approaches that I should probably order a copy.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link

It's in the book Table and what led me to it. I swear I read about it on here but it might have been somewhere else. An extraordinary essay.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link

Xp - yep!

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link

i also bought the book bc the fourth state of matter blew my mind. it's all great

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:33 (two years ago) link

Also just finished the high window - quite dense but I find it easier-going than the big sleep (too chaotically plotted) and the long goodbye (one of my favourite books but a hard book to write straight through)

I’m an unqualified fan of backlisted and pay for their patreon (which includes an **even more sel-indulgent** free extra fortnightly podcast). I’m not blind to (or un-annoyed by) their cultural blind spots and chummy self-satisfaction as presenters, but I find them both very entertaining company, and they’ve led me to a lot of good books, just like ILB

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 18 December 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link

"At the end of the hallway are the double doors leading to the rest of my life. I push them open and walk through."

Lily Dale, Saturday, 18 December 2021 00:46 (two years ago) link

just finished the high window - quite dense

my favorite parts are where Chandler tosses in a brief chit-chat between Marlowe and some totally peripheral character with whom he just happens to talk to as he wends his way through the plot: security guards, elevator operators, bartenders, apartment managers and such like. these conversations are uniformly hilarious.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 18 December 2021 01:24 (two years ago) link

long-time ilx lurker here, since 2003 or so... (more of a *reader* than someone inclined to share, I guess). anyway, in compiling my list of books I read this year I thought of my debt to these threads' suggestions, & decided to pipe up w/ a little thanks for that and try a post -- from this year eugene lim's dear cyborgs and a couple peter culley books are 2 examples of recommendations I've taken to. other books I've read & loved this year include fanny howe's random love novel collection, john edgar wideman's homewood trilogy, marge piercy's woman on the edge of time, camille roy's honey mine, nikki wallschlaeger's pizza and warfare chapbook, amiri baraka's the system of dante's hell, joyelle mcsweeney's flet, bernadette mayer's sonnets (some mention of her upthread I see), alice notley's noir epic negativity's kiss, jim dickinson's memoir i'm not dead, i'm just gone...etc., many more... and more in keeping w/ the thread theme, at the moment i'm reading harmony holiday's negro league baseball and sesshu foster's atomik aztex. anyway, cheers all --

zak m, Saturday, 18 December 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link

Hey zak - some interesting things there to check out. Nice one.

I was probably a bit chippy about Backlisted last night. I like it and they seem like good people. I did try the Locklisted episodes - the Beatles obsession gave me hives!

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 18 December 2021 09:58 (two years ago) link

Lily, is that THE BELL JAR?

the pinefox, Saturday, 18 December 2021 11:31 (two years ago) link

That's from "The Fourth State of Matter" by Jo Ann Beard.

Lily Dale, Saturday, 18 December 2021 13:16 (two years ago) link

Nammalvar - Endless Song, a cycle of 1102 stanzas and its my very much jam as far as poetry goes. A voice in the hightest pitch is hit over and over in this set of devotional music. There is an NYRB piece about it here, and its great to be introduced to a tradition (Tamil poetry), history, place and a time by reading an incredible work that survived, at all.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 December 2021 15:36 (two years ago) link

is it end of year time? is there normally a separate thread for that?

40 according to goodreads, although i think that's missing a couple. total was helped by a month of reading a dozen things of <200 pages each, some of them much less (although it still reckons the shortest was The Old Man And The Sea at 90 pages)

koogs, Sunday, 19 December 2021 06:33 (two years ago) link


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