they should make the graph a little more brown
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 17 December 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link
good post and this is a good point:
If you happen to test positive, the only place you should think of going is to get a PCR test. I only mention this because if you end up experiencing long-COVID symptoms, it might be helpful for future treatment to have an official test result with your name on it (for insurance or, god forbid, a disability claim).
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
i kinda thought that went without saying but realizing a lot of health messaging has been poor so very good suggestion, adn I hadn't thought of the latter reasoning for it.
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 December 2021 20:53 (two years ago) link
it hadn't occurred to me but i'm newish here and haven't internalized how hostile the health insurance system is.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
Ah, well, nevertheless https://t.co/erKTro7w7q pic.twitter.com/r2hGUbIvAZ— marc tracy (@marcatracy) December 17, 2021
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:00 (two years ago) link
as a lifelong American with a lot of contact with the healthcare system, I cannot stress enough how much this system hates you, personally, and is only interested in how much money it can extract from you and your silly desire to live
― nicole, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
i got a little preview when they sent me a bill for quarter of a million dollars after my son was born, while he was in the NICU, and i had to spend 2 hours on the phone pointing out they had a typo in his name so he was covered by my insurance. good system.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
jesus
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
i didn't have a quarter of a million dollars btw
is the us a dystopia??????????????
― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link
why aren't millennials having children?!!?!?!?
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link
my cousin got a NICU bill for ~$650,000! incredible, luv 2 B free
― nicole, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link
I got one of those NICU bills as well after my son was in there for 10 days. Terrifying
― Heez, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:18 (two years ago) link
The pre-insurance bill for my son's C-section birth was definitely north of a quarter mil.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link
jesus christ
― a (waterface), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:33 (two years ago) link
so scary
one one level, https://www.amazon.com/American-Sickness-Healthcare-Became-Business/dp/1594206759 is a great book that identifies the problems and incremental solutions (and how to navigate it in the meantime). recommended for anyone using the US health system! on another level, i read it and was like "you all must be out of your fucking minds".
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:36 (two years ago) link
I think we all just want and need a strong guarantee that more and more corporations will be there to take larger cuts from our inevitable health problems as we age. it isn't much to ask for some security - for those companies.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
Come on, don't be so selfish, you pay that $650,000 so that others only have to pay half that.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
I can see why they want to bam abortion at those prices
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 17 December 2021 21:49 (two years ago) link
You should see how much *keeping* kids cost.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 December 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link
hey, be nice to those kids. someday they'll be paying the $1.4M bill to keep your old ass alive for a couple more years
― Karl Malone, Friday, 17 December 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link
i want to be clear that i think everyone's ass here is old, especially my own
I guess it's good that this is the time that dad is being moved out of skilled nursing again because lord do I not want him there when Omicron really takes off.
(he's boosted, and not really immunocompromised per se, but 73 and not in perfect health, so y'know).
in other news, hey i guess I'll be wearing my KN95 in the house again for a lil bit. might be overcautious and gonna be uncomfortable but idk. he's not home yet so I have time to decide.
when covid first popped off I aws wearing a fucking balaclava in the house so this is better than that
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:33 (two years ago) link
FWIW, last year we wound up paying a total of around $470 for four PCR tests (two each for myself and my wife) that were supposed to be free. We went to a drive-up at a hospital, but you had to do an "intake call" first. They bill the intake call as "telemedicine." On top of that, we couldn't straighten anything out because we have separate medical and hospital plans and the hospital couldn't figure out which one to bill, billed the wrong one, and then it was too late by the time they realized they were wrong because the plan they billed had sent us like $10 "reimbursement" (out of network, hey hey) and therefore the claim was already considered processed. I actually wasted some hours trying to get this resolved and couldn't.
My wife also had an insane and sort of related experience trying to get a booster at CVS, spent 6 hours on phone/in person (two separate trips) because of our overcomplicated insurance (this time they couldn't figure out whether it was our health plan or our prescription plan, and we got stuck in a byzantine nightmare going back and forth between CVS and the two different plans).
This is all relatively quid/ag for us, we're fine, but just to confirm that, yes, the US healthcare and health insurance system is a nightmare and can't possibly be helping things here.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:43 (two years ago) link
i didn't have a quarter of a million dollars btwβ π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, December 17, 2021 3:05 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
β π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, December 17, 2021 3:05 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
well not after you foolishly blew your pile on luxury intensive care for your newborn infant you didn't, what ever happened to personal responsibility in this country
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:44 (two years ago) link
love too be free to contract with healthcare providers
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 17 December 2021 22:48 (two years ago) link
did not expect Dr Jha to be uhh this bold. I suspect he's about to take a beating from his peers (idk if he's wrong per se but wow brave)
For nearly 2 years, I've closely tracked infectionsBecause infections invariably led to hospitalizations and deathsBut I expect that in this upcoming waveThat link will finally breakCases will spikeBut among vaccinated/boosted people, it won't lead to serious illness— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) December 17, 2021
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link
what does he mean by "that link will break"?
"among vaccinated/boosted people, it won't lead to serious illness" is true but a significant fraction (perhaps even most) americans are going to get omicron in the next 4-8 weeks, and the vast, vast majority of over 65s are not boosted.
I don't see how that doesn't lead to a lot of hospitalizations unless he thinks it's intrinsically *very* mild.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:19 (two years ago) link
weird tweet.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:20 (two years ago) link
Even hospitalizations is a little squishy and ICU is probably a better measure of severity.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link
Seems like a weird thing to say but he might be trying to counter the AJ Leonardis of the world and overcorrecting
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
The Omicron wave is already here and is sure to be staggering large. But there has been some good news, tooβat least relatively speaking. A thread (1/x) https://t.co/julic17Fym— David Wallace-Wells (@dwallacewells) December 17, 2021
i haven't read the full article (and DWW is a climate writer not an epidimiologist, and he's had some dodgy covid takes before) but this thread is very reasonable IMO. there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic, including the possibility that omicron might in some sense end the pandemic?!
but he's also right that the US is very poorly prepared relative to other developed countries for what's about to happen. if you get it, you'll probably be fine, but try very hard not to give it to anyone else!
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0) at 4:19 17 Dec 21The pre-insurance bill for my son's C-section birth was definitely north of a quarter mil
we used to joke that we hadn't paid off our baby until year 2 haha
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
Hmm
Importantπ§΅by Ravi and his teamOmicron-> Lung cell infectivity reduced, consistent with Hong Kong findings:https://t.co/4PO3uPERLCWhich, added to immunity wall of vaccination, would help reduce potential of Covid pneumonia π https://t.co/r2SeXXxIoV pic.twitter.com/EvvPgO8I2s— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) December 17, 2021
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
Xxpost yea I'm picking up tests tonight and testing mom and i
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Friday, 17 December 2021 23:56 (two years ago) link
Breaking: Illinois hospitals are being flooded with patients more than at any other time of the pandemic, a Tribune analysis of state data has found. https://t.co/QOSI49Vxgp— Chicago Tribune (@chicagotribune) December 17, 2021
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 18 December 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
I love how it looks like eazy broke in there
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 December 2021 00:37 (two years ago) link
i've been going insane thinking about how omicron is going to be bad based on every sensible thing i've read about it and it's been infuriating to watch the CDC and media continually go, 'well... the cases are mild,' based on basically nothing. the infectivity supersedes the diminished symptoms, if the diminished symptoms are in fact an element of this variant which can't be confirmed. but it's okay because The Economy is churning along folks
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 18 December 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link
The total bill for keeping me alive in 2019 was about 1.5 million. About 3/4 of that was covered by insurance, and I essentially showed the huge teaching hospital (U Penn) that I had no money to pay the rest, and they ate the rest of the bill. Very lucky in this regard.
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 18 December 2021 00:49 (two years ago) link
This thread makes an interesting case for being extra cautious if you have symptoms and test negative
IMPORTANT: RAPID TESTS DO WORK WITH OMICRON"But why are some people staying negative in the first days they have symptoms??"This is expected. Symptoms don't = contagious virusThis is literally a reflection of the fact that vaccines are doing their job!PLEASE READ pic.twitter.com/YBJvNovQXL— Michael Mina (@michaelmina_lab) December 18, 2021
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 18 December 2021 02:55 (two years ago) link
lol literally just read that thread
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 December 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
I don't even know what symptoms to look out for these days. The sniffles?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 December 2021 03:24 (two years ago) link
bootyflakes
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 December 2021 03:28 (two years ago) link
One person I know who got it recently said it was a lot like a bad stomach flu, for her and for her kids.
― Lily Dale, Saturday, 18 December 2021 04:21 (two years ago) link
mom told me she had massive diarrhea.
just tested her, she's negative
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 December 2021 04:24 (two years ago) link
tested her nose, not her diarrhea, to be clear
i'm negative too. same time tomorrow Binax? yay!
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 December 2021 04:25 (two years ago) link
great thread
This is one of the most confusing times of the pandemic, w/ a firehose of new Omicron data (lots of fab work on #medtwitter putting it into context). In this (long) π§΅, I'll offer my take on how the new information is changing my thinking & behavior.(1/25)— Bob Wachter (@Bob_Wachter) December 17, 2021
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 December 2021 06:01 (two years ago) link
also Ashish expanded on his thread from earlier, but....it's kind of a thin explanation.
Lets talk about why we'll soon see an uncoupling of infections and hospitalizationsNo, its not because Omicron is "mild" I'm not sure it isIts because Omicron has so much immune evasionThat we'll see a change in who gets infectedThread https://t.co/rJlO4HczCw— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) December 18, 2021
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 December 2021 06:04 (two years ago) link