Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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omg "arrest related death syndrome" !!!!!!!

sarahell, Friday, 7 January 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link

yeah i'm still having so many thoughts about that one and some other things

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 7 January 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link

not unrelated to the "in this house we believe...SCIENCE IS REAL" and the "science" supporting reducing covid quarantine to 5 days because airlines --> walmart et al. reducing sick leave in turn, people weaponizing various stats for their chosen purposes, power, knowledge, ethics........................zzzzzz

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 7 January 2022 21:33 (two years ago) link

god

damn

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Friday, 7 January 2022 21:45 (two years ago) link

like it's such a big admission, just sitting there! i mean:

Decades ago

no, still doing this shit every day

we

"we" = cops (the people you work for)

used to prosecute mothers for crib deaths and sudden infant death syndrome

used to use pseudoscience to put people in jail

and then we figured out it really wasn’t their fault,

people (not "we) were able to show they were innocent, even though "we" tried our best to hide the truth

“Hopefully in the future we’ll have something like sudden infant death syndrome, just ‘arrest related death syndrome’ so we don’t have to automatically blame the police officer.”

hopefully in the future "we" can discover a new fake syndrome so "we" don't have to be held responsible for when "we" kill someone

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 7 January 2022 21:57 (two years ago) link

worth noting that SIDS/SUID are when you can't determine the cause, not when you know the cause but don't want to "blame the police officer"

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 7 January 2022 21:59 (two years ago) link

Confirmation that Seattle police were spreading fake rumors of armed Proud Boys in the area to destabilize CHAZ/CHOP: https://mynorthwest.com/3301600/spd-fake-reports-proud-boys-protesters-radio-chatter-opa/

JoeStork, Friday, 7 January 2022 23:59 (two years ago) link

not unrelated to the "in this house we believe...SCIENCE IS REAL" and the "science" supporting reducing covid quarantine to 5 days because airlines --> walmart et al. reducing sick leave in turn, people weaponizing various stats for their chosen purposes, power, knowledge, ethics........................zzzzzz

― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, January 7, 2022 9:33 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

basically my thoughts as i'm trying to fall asleep after getting high on a weeknight

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link

this is not about police brutality as much as it is about how government operates generally, but it haunts me

By broadcasting mutually contradictory, needlessly convoluted, nonsensical policies, an institution can ensure that for each victim there is a narrative where that victim *disobeyed*

— Anosognosiogenesis (@pookleblinky) January 1, 2022

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:07 (two years ago) link

foucault is real

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:11 (two years ago) link

YES, and that gets to my other thought in the stream of consciousness, all of these white house/CDC messages (such as the one pre-christmas where the white house said the unvaccinated could look forward to a winter of death?) i think to myself "who the fuck is this even for?" it can't be to persuade the unvaccinated (because if so...woof) it is meant to tell a story about how these failures are anyone else's fault.

towards fungal computer (harbl), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:52 (two years ago) link

"science is real" is "do your own research" for liberals

towards fungal computer (harbl), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:53 (two years ago) link

Science is really anything I want it to be based on my personal circumstances

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link

^ science

towards fungal computer (harbl), Saturday, 8 January 2022 00:59 (two years ago) link

does it work the other way, like, if someone kills an on duty cop attacking them, can they also consider the cop's death "arrest related death syndrome"?

sarahell, Saturday, 8 January 2022 01:06 (two years ago) link

just be real and say "it's not illegal when a cop does it"

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 8 January 2022 02:22 (two years ago) link

^ the Nixon defense

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 8 January 2022 02:26 (two years ago) link

Our local sheriff's department killed a guy a few years ago by hogtying him and putting him on his stomach and sitting on him. He was a huge guy, and was apparently on opioids at the time, so the official ruling was his asphyxiation was an OD death that the officers couldn't have known about because they didn't know he was high. The D.A. declined to prosecute. The family sued and won a $750,000 settlement from the county. None of the officers involved suffered any repercussions at all.

that's such a typical story by now that it should be the plot of every cop show on television

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 8 January 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link

The people are murdered by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who instigate the killing, and the district attorneys, who decline to prosecute the officers.
Chung-chung

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 8 January 2022 19:19 (two years ago) link

^ too depressing to excelsior but otherwise

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 9 January 2022 04:08 (two years ago) link

Meanwhile this is horrific on its face, but then the TV station also gets a "police expert" to explain why, really, the officers had no idea they were going to set that guy on fire and no responsibility to help him once they did.

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/police-flee-room-after-using-stun-gun-on-man-who-burst-into-flames-video-shows/

The officers left what they thought was a very hazardous situation.

     wow

such heroic

many courage

towards fungal computer (harbl), Sunday, 9 January 2022 16:30 (two years ago) link

harbl you made my day! LOL

sarahell, Sunday, 9 January 2022 18:23 (two years ago) link

Two LAPD officers were fired for ignoring a call regarding a robbery in progress because they were playing Pokemon Go and had spotted a Snorlax. https://t.co/3rPFEkrJoT pic.twitter.com/zu5SNJ9Dyg

— Jake White (@unioncounsel) January 10, 2022

towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 02:06 (two years ago) link

Wow. Wow.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 02:23 (two years ago) link

Pokemon Go to the Lols

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 02:29 (two years ago) link

gamify the cop apps to make busting robberies align with their gaming goals
cryptofuck the court system so that citizens can invest in the cases that they find most interesting

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 16:14 (two years ago) link

Tossed a coin between this thread and the US dystopia one:

https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/police-in-this-tiny-alabama-town-suck-drivers-into-legal-black-hole.html

two sleeps till brooklyn (ledge), Friday, 21 January 2022 10:25 (two years ago) link

this is old so I don’t know if it’s been discussed on ILX before. the program was officially ended in 2018, but fucking loooool at the rogues gallery of assorted freaks that were on the roster: Dan Bilzerian, Robert Mercer, celebrity SEALs, bodyguards for Kochs and Breitbart:

https://www.krqe.com/news/playing-cop-the-lake-arthur-badge-scheme-2/

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Friday, 21 January 2022 14:31 (two years ago) link

This is from back in November, but worth noting:

Queens judge vacates 60 convictions obtained by crooked cops
By NOAH GOLDBERG
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS | NOV 08, 2021 AT 1:57 PM

Taron Parkinson was just 18 years old and the father of a newborn baby in 2014 when he says a pair of cops with a grudge planted a gun in his car and arrested him.

For years, no one believed him: not his lawyer, who told him to plead guilty in order to get a lighter sentence, not even some members of his own family.

But on Monday, Parkinson was among 60 people who had their convictions thrown out by a Queens judge who ruled — with the support of the Queens district attorney — that any convictions based on the testimony of three crooked cops could not stand.

Now 25, Parkinson was still on parole until the Monday hearing, which wiped the gun charge off his record.

“To be honest, I feel good that there’s some type of awareness that’s been brought to it and I’m able to not be in parole anymore,” the emotional Queens native told the Daily News. “But it’s still a little thing in the back of my mind. They really have to pay for what they did, though.”

The two cops involved in Parkinson’s case were Kevin Desormeau and Sasha Cordoba, who were convicted of falsifying information in a separate 2014 gun arrest they made in Manhattan.

The Queens DA said Desormeau is responsible for 34 convictions that should be thrown out, while Cordoba is responsible for 20 others.

Desormeau and Cordoba were also convicted in Queens of lying about a drug sale they claimed to witness. Video evidence showed the sale never occurred. Cordoba’s conviction in that case was ultimately thrown out by Queens Judge Michael Aloise, who ruled that prosecutors were “cherry-picking” evidence.

Both cops were fired following their convictions.

The third cop involved in the 60 cases was Oscar Sandino, who pleaded guilty in Brooklyn Federal Court to forcing a woman he arrested to perform sexual acts on him in 2006. Sandino threatened the woman she would lose custody of her child if she refused.

Three years later, while he was under investigation in that case, Sandino struck again, fondling himself in front of another arrested woman, who he also forced to expose herself.

The woman, who was a court officer, sued the city and received a $125,000 settlement.

Sandino was the key NYPD witness in six cases in Queens County. The judge tossed them all.

District Attorney Melinda Katz said that the “serious misconduct” of the three former officers compromised the five dozen cases in which they were essential witnesses, Judge Michelle Johnson granted Katz’s request to vacate the convictions.

“We cannot stand behind a criminal conviction where the essential law enforcement witness has been convicted of crimes which irreparably impair their credibility,” Katz said in a statement. “Vacating and dismissing these cases is both constitutionally required and necessary to ensure public confidence in our justice system.”

Katz was joined in the legal effort by lawyers with the Legal Aid Society, who represented the 60 people.

One of the women whose case was dismissed died before the hearing, said Elizabeth Felber, who runs the Wrongful Conviction Unit at Legal Aid.

“To the 60 people whose cases are being dismissed today, the system failed you,” Felber said during the hearing. “While [vacating the convictions] may not undo the harm done to you, it will be a measure of justice.”

The office said its review of cops’ credibility is ongoing. Seven other cops convicted of crimes are also being reexamined by the DA.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 21 January 2022 15:09 (two years ago) link

Mendoza "struggled with virtually every aspect of police work... unable to recite statutes, routinely getting lost while responding to calls, writing muddled reports and failing tests on topics ranging from when using force was appropriate to the county’s pursuit policies."

— Jim Brunner (@Jim_Brunner) January 25, 2022



so he was fired

and joined another nearby police department, where he promptly killed an unarmed woman

dark end of the st. maud (sic), Friday, 28 January 2022 07:57 (two years ago) link

are there any US states where policing is solely a state thing, and there is only one police force (like in sane countries) rather than each arbitrary community (county/city, etc.) handling it badly?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 January 2022 17:24 (two years ago) link

no

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 28 January 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link

the closer we get to policing ourselves, locally down to the block and down to our houses and rental units, and being able to call the police on anyone that scares us, and shooting people pre-emptively if we prove in the court of the interior mind that we definitely felt threatened, the safer we will individually be

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 January 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link

even the supreme god annoints angels to do the local policework

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 January 2022 17:32 (two years ago) link

are there actually federal laws against policing being a state thing? seems like i dunno vermont or delaware or something would give it a shot if it weren't illegal.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 January 2022 17:47 (two years ago) link

the jurisdiction turf wars in rhode island must get really tiresome

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 January 2022 17:57 (two years ago) link

they have state police but i'm not sure i understand what having state police only would help with?

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 28 January 2022 18:07 (two years ago) link

state troopers are some of the worst motherfuckers alive

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 January 2022 18:13 (two years ago) link

yeah, like they are more "elite" so they can pass harder tests to get the job but they're just cops. if a state needed to hire more of them they'd have to lower standards.

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 28 January 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link

Can’t fathom US jurisdictions giving up local sovereignty willingly. Springfield needs cops in case Shelbyville gets any ideas.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 28 January 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link

local cops are a revenue stream (as everyone itt knows of course)

rob, Friday, 28 January 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link

they have state police but i'm not sure i understand what having state police only would help with?

― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, January 28, 2022 1:07 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

the question was inspired by the murderous officer who had been fired by one force and walked down the street to join another. that can't happen if there's one force.

but i think generally state institutions are less corrupt than city/county institutions, in part because turnout for city/county institutions is approximately zero.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 January 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link

turnout?

Nhex, Friday, 28 January 2022 19:59 (two years ago) link

turnout for elections for law enforcement. the people in charge get elected by their friends and employees, which is enough in an election with so few voters.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 January 2022 21:28 (two years ago) link

i confess i'm getting more and more confused here

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 28 January 2022 21:44 (two years ago) link

only sheriffs are elected and in a lot of places sheriffs don't do "police" things

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 28 January 2022 21:45 (two years ago) link

1. electing law enforcement in elections with turnouts in the hundreds or low thousands leads to corruption.

2. having thousands of street level law enforcement institutions, i.e. police, sheriffs, state troopers, highway patrol, transit cops, etc. allows obvious criminals to literally walk a few blocks and get a new job as a police officer or sheriff.

it's obviously *possible* for a country to have a few tens of police forces nationally. most countries do this.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 January 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link

i mean electing anyone in elections with turnouts in the hundreds or low thousands leads to corruption, but sheriffs happen to be incredibly powerful people with a particular inclination to corruption.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 28 January 2022 21:53 (two years ago) link


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