outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

I have Covid, tested positive on Friday from a home test. All mild symptoms, nothing to worry about. But having read about home tests not being reported and causing the overall figures not to be accurate etc, I dutifully left a message with my doctor's office saying I had it. But got nothing back at all from them to acknowledge it or ask how I was doing. Wish I hadn't bothered now.

Sucks they didn't call you back, but I'm guessing in most doctor's offices right now they're not expending a lot of energy on people who tell them they're doing OK. But I hope you keep doing OK!

Meanwhile, speaking of wishful — or just weird — thinking:

When you read Speed the Spread of Omicron, you know we've got a problem 🤯https://t.co/bWziC47qH5 pic.twitter.com/j8GYxoSwUn

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 11, 2022

xpost - Worth a try I guess, at least you attempted to get counted. I wouldn't be surprised if we are closer to 2.5 to 3 million cases, just going by anecdotal stories of people with positive rapid tests or even people who are isolating and sure they have it but can't find rapid tests.

I'm not a virologist, but I don't think the logic of "oh just let everybody get it" holds up to any kind of scrutiny. First, when you say that you're acknowledging up front that a bunch of people will die as a result — mostly unvaccinated and/or with pre-existing conditions but still a lot of actual people who are alive now being dead soon. But also, we don't really know how long acquired immunity from infection lasts, Omicron has infected tons of previously infected people, so it's not like even a 100 percent Omicron-exposed population is going to stop circulating the virus, enabling new variants, etc. People act like "prior infection" is some kind of magic potion, but it isn't any more than the vaccines are. (OK, statistically, maybe somewhat more than the vaccines. But not a lot.)

I get the impulse to "get it over with," but I'm not sure how that is actually supposed to work.

I called our daughter's doctor just to let them know she tested positive and to update her files, and they actually called me back a few hours later just to check up, which surprised me.

Noticing something new the last couple of days in the way the Canadian news is reporting hospital admissions: those who were admitted for COVID, and those who were admitted for something else and tested positive. That was running about 55/45 in the direction of COVID today. Is this an important distinction?

It's a super important distinction and I wish that data were more readily available.

More from Bob W on SF numbers and elsewhere. Per final post, he’s sticking with awful January leading to better February, but it’s a really awful January.

Covid (@UCSF) Chronicles, Day 665
I haven’t done a SF update for a week – it’s a good time to catch up. Any impact of holiday gatherings should now be baked in, we all know scores of people with Covid, & hospitals are getting overwhelmed. So is SF’s high vax rate helping? (1/20)

— Bob Wachter (@Bob_Wachter) January 11, 2022

http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/prevention-risks/covid-19-and-sex

Use barriers, like walls (e.g., glory holes), that allow for sexual contact but prevent close face-to-face contact.

for/with is an important but extremely subtle distinction, and it's often used as FUD by people who suggest people admitted with covid are somehow not relevant to the pandemic.

people who are admitted to hospital (for anything) are more likely to have comorbidities that makes covid more dangerous, and getting covid doesn't improve the prognosis of anything else. so the implication that people admitted with covid are not in danger from covid doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

you can't see it in case data yet (it lags a few days, and testing capacity is saturated and growing, so reported cases may continue to grow even while real cases fall) but ... based on boston shit, seems like the north east may have peaked

😃💩 pic.twitter.com/LaOdDahuDA

— free the young (@theripsnorter) January 11, 2022

Getting weird out here

Trump says politicians who won't say whether they've been vaccinated are "gutless."
Trump said, "Say it. But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world. I’ve had absolutely no side affects.” #TrumpVaccine https://t.co/SfN1rTS21s

— Rick Folbaum (@RickFolbaum) January 12, 2022

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-omicron-spreads-some-nations-offer-a-second-covid-19-booster-11641911892

second booster? :|

I mean, I'll take all the boosters you have, whatever. I'm going to be coming up on 6 months since my boost in April.

I've kinda been anticipating boosters every six months, so doesn't surprise me too much. I'd much prefer to get on an annual booster thing, but whatever.

same here - also figured it'd be a six month deal, annoyingly. hopefully less often after next year

It's very hard to watch today as the US hospitalizations climbed above 150,000, ICUs more than 25,000, and nearly 2,700 deaths—the vast majority were preventable by vaccinations and/or boosters.
And >900,000 new cases, some of whom will progress to severe disease or #LongCovid

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) January 13, 2022

It's getting to the place where a significant number of 'excess deaths' beyond the expected baseline death rate during the pandemic are from causes other than covid, but from diseases or conditions that were left untreated or under-treated due to lack of resources or preventive measures designed to reduce covid transmission.

in the UK the new baseline for calculating excess deaths over and above the baseline is the average of 2016, 17, 18, 19 and 21. Until recently it was 2015-19.
Some debate over whether it's reasonable to include 2021.

Why, if they’re they’re including 2021, would they omit 2020?

There was a positive case this week in my son's class at school. The sick kid was already at home, but had been in school the day before. The one unvaccinated kid in the class was sent home to quarantine, but otherwise life basically went on as usual. Seems like a reasonable way forward.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10397797/Man-claims-lost-1-5-inches-length-penis-Covid-vascular-damage.html

otm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_%28medicine%29

xps I think the intention was always to omit 2020 as a pandemic year skewing the average. I don't know why you would include 2021 unless it's worse to use old data than it is to use likely atypical data.

By any measure 2021 was also "a pandemic year skewing the data".

well yeah of course

maybe it's the new normal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5QErPDNcj4

smoke weed every day

https://news.ohsu.edu/2022/01/13/study-shows-hemp-compounds-prevent-coronavirus-from-entering-human-cells

https://i.imgur.com/cawTD5I.jpeg

I feel the same way

holy shit

Some with recent Covid diagnoses are finding that contracting the illness they worked so hard to dodge for so long has brought them an unexpected reprieve from anxiety — instead of compounding it further. https://t.co/zjs7ppIO7J

— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 17, 2022

Not unfamiliar! A couple friends down for the holidays, in part facetiously, were like PLEASE GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY.

They have no children and are not immunocompromised.

Knowing myself, I would also probably vacillate from disappointment to the mildest of relief.

blundering straight into the path of the ratio is praxis

Some soldiers are surprised to find they experience a sense of relief when, during a battle in which others around them were killed or wounded, they receive a minor wound and are able to leave the front line for a while.

When I did a rapid test at my sister's on Christmas Eve day, I absolutely had mixed feelings: I wanted a negative, simply so I could stay, but--knowing how relatively mild my symptoms had been the past week--part of me wanted a positive.

The twitter reaction as usual has been weird -- no one quoted "sought out" the virus. The people I know who've gotten omicron after three vaccinations aren't going to bars or restaurants and fucking hated missing Noche Buena and/or NYE. But this sense of ugh can co-exist with "Well, this anxiety's over for a while."

Not unfamiliar! A couple friends down for the holidays, in part facetiously, were like PLEASE GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY.

we absolutely thought this during the holidays, and i suspect a lot of parents did. getting it now would would be much much more disruptive and upsetting for all of us.

Yeah I don't think that sounds weird at all, I'm sure I'd feel some relief too and I'm not even sure why one would consider this "unexpected." Doesn't mean I'd seek it out.

i assume milo's point is that feeling this way is a privilege, which yes.

yes

-- bachelorhood

-- no children or dependents

-- flexible job

-- a tolerance for three-hour cinema should the need arise

I know a couple of families (double vaxxed kids/boosted adults) where one member got it and everyone hoped the rest would just get it right away as it would decrease the overall impact by serving their isolation periods concurrently instead of consecutively. In the end it was only the one person who got it anyway.

I don't think it's hard to understand those kinds of feelings. I was kind of freaked out why kids tested positive last spring, but they were both fine — one with mild symptoms, one none at all — and I was able to relax a lot more after that about them doing various social things. Now they're both vaxxed, boosted AND prior infected, which makes me even more relaxed. I would never have deliberately tried to get them infected, but knowing that they were and were fine has made the succeeding months that much less stressful.

Sorry, was freaked out when my kids tested positive ...

i assume milo's point is that feeling this way is a privilege, which yes.

Less about people feeling one way or the other more about the media taking this tack as Omicron rages and we’re essentially being abandoned by the government.

-- bachelorhood
-- no children or dependents
-- flexible job

Ditto--plus the timing of the positive, Dec. 24, would not have impacted my availability to work at all.

It just comes down to spending almost two years fearing this thing (which has, I realize, mutated more than once), thinking I had contracted the latest variant, and wanting to be able to say "Okay, that wasn't that bad, and maybe my immune system is such that any future infections will be comparable."

So, even though I believe I tested right at the very end of an Omicron infection, I was negative, so I still don't know for sure.

I think I mentioned it on this or probably another thread, but I have a good friend who was absolutely relieved when he and his whole family got it, despite their (relative) precautions. After so many months/years of literal fear for their lives, once faced with the most mild of symptoms they were thankful for the vaccine and for the chance to just (at least this time) get through it all unscathed.

At the booster clinic I worked over the weekend, we (staff and fellow volunteers) were discussing our own personal experiences, and how we'd all been fortunate that everyone we knew who caught it had mild or next to no symptoms. Then another volunteer offered that she had just gone to a funeral. For covid? we asked. She shook her head yes. Were they vaccinated? She frowned and shook her head no.