Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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The songs with GH are listed in BOLD on the tracklist on this page.

https://www.musicconnection.com/kubernik-bob-dylans-1970-session-with-george-harrison/

the pinefox, Friday, 21 January 2022 14:45 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFAWPnhTPw

This version seems to include studio chatter (haven't listened properly yet). Again, if GH was present the whole time, I can't well see why he wouldn't be playing along.

the pinefox, Friday, 21 January 2022 14:51 (two years ago) link

Because George offered to play whatever Bob wanted him to play, or not at all. Whatever would please him...

Mark G, Friday, 21 January 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link

How do you know?

As I said -- is there a fuller account of this somewhere?

the pinefox, Friday, 21 January 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link

think Mark G was making a little Let It Be joke there

tylerw, Friday, 21 January 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link

tick

Mark G, Friday, 21 January 2022 18:23 (two years ago) link

Heh, like with His Assholiness McCartney, right? As heard on yet another tense, tedious Beatles studio tape. Whatever Dylan's intent, Self-Portrait always was the sound of escapism, evasion, and yeah feeling like the well was dry---having all those unreleased originals somehow didn't count, weren't where he was currently at/not at now---and yeah the cover pic looks like a door knob *and* a guy saying, whaaaa, ain't no answers in here, bub, these kitschy keepsakes is all this ol' hickboy's got. (Live tracks carefully drained of all force to fit right into the hoarder's used cotton swab collection.) That's what it sounded, like, but the his earliest comment I've seen is, "I didn't think it was that bad!" Seemed surprised by the backlash, not courting it. (Although I first read it as "that bad," like maybe he knew or guessed that it might plausibly, "arguably," as we strangely say now, considered to be kinda bad? Maybe he was inclined to think so too---?
Which is maybe why he worked his and everybody else's ass off on New Morning, although I'm surprised to learn he took it that far: doesn't sound labored or overthought/contrived, like some later offerings; it tells the or a story, of where he is at now and how he got here, in a more personalized way, words and music, than the charming high generic originals of Nashville Skyline, discreetly distanced (alts of Travellin' Through show that it could have been much livelier overall, more like the issued takes of the title track, "To Be Alone With You," and my fave LP track, "Country Pie"--but again, that's not what he was going for)( just the sound of Cash making small talk in *those* outtakes is almost overwhelming: more of him on the issued record could have been waaay too intense for this chill interlude, a duet album, as the producer and Cash indicate some eagerness for, would have overshadowed Dyl's modest crooning, challenged him in ways he wasn't into)
And certainly NM was there to get the cred back on track after S-P, although his People then put out the word that it was recorded before the latter: true or not, didn't want to seem too concerned, too motivated by trying to please. (Planet Waves seemed more like something-for-everybody, but mostly worked, I thought.)

dow, Friday, 21 January 2022 18:25 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I don't think New Morning sounds labored or overthought, just the opposite (a big part of its charm). I don't think anyone would've guessed so much work was being done on it, though on paper, having so many takes on different dates does suggest something might've been amiss.

I wish he put "Spanish Is the Loving Tongue" on the album instead of banishing it to B-side purgatory. (The version on Dylan is horrid. The alternate take on Another Self Portrait is pretty good but the master take on that B-side is best. For whatever reason the B-side version has never been given a proper U.S. CD release though it's on the import CD collection Masterpieces. For those who don't what that is, when Dylan struck a deal to perform at Budokan in 1978, his label's Japanese branch decided to release a comprehensive best of as a tie-in, along with that infamous live album.) If he had kept to the original intent of bookending New Morning with covers, "Spanish Is the Loving Tongue" would've been a perfect opening track.

Awful video, but here's a YouTube upload, apparently ripped from an old 45 judging by the occasional clicks that sound like vinyl pops that weren't filtered out well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVtn4bTh54c

I also prefer the alternates of "If Not for You" and "Went to See the Gypsy" that were on The Genuine Bootleg Series and eventually (sort of) released on Another Self Portrait. The latter has a beautiful vocal, and the electric piano gives it a nice "Phil Ramone producing in the 1970s" vibe even though he wasn't the producer here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voD_UAImLRM

The former was remixed for Another Self Portrait. It sounds like it could be mono there while the bootlegged version is a wider stereo with a pedal steel overdub that's missing on the official release. I guess Sony/Dylan's people wanted to make the recording all about that fiddle, but I kind of like how the two instruments complemented each other on the bootleg. Here it is:

https://vimeo.com/580372445

birdistheword, Friday, 21 January 2022 19:03 (two years ago) link

'Went to See the Gypsy', along with 'Sign on the Window', seems to have been rehearsed / recorded more times than anything else in this period.

'Sign' is a marvellous tune and suggestive lyric. 'Gypsy', I'm not so sure. Wonder if Dylan overrated a bit (I keep reading that he was struggling to write songs), or if he should have rewritten it slightly. The lyric seems to build up to something but - as I know from hearing it about 100 times in the last month - effectively has nothing in the middle. The encounter with the 'Gypsy' is a non-event.

The best I can say about that, I suppose, is that it's a mystery how the Gypsy and his entourage disappears suddenly disappear completely from a hotel room while Dylan is making a telephone call.

the pinefox, Friday, 21 January 2022 19:32 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I don't think New Morning sounds labored or overthought, just the opposite (a big part of its charm).

seems like Kooper was probably frustrated that he worked up some pretty elaborate arrangements for a few of these songs and Dylan ended up going with the more ragged takes. I do really like the full band version of "time passes slowly" on Another Self Portrait.

tylerw, Friday, 21 January 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link

'Gypsy', I'm not so sure. Wonder if Dylan overrated a bit (I keep reading that he was struggling to write songs), or if he should have rewritten it slightly. The lyric seems to build up to something but - as I know from hearing it about 100 times in the last month - effectively has nothing in the middle. The encounter with the 'Gypsy' is a non-event.

The best I can say about that, I suppose, is that it's a mystery how the Gypsy and his entourage disappears suddenly disappear completely from a hotel room while Dylan is making a telephone call.

This is gypsy slander and should not be tolerated. Went to See the Gypsy is a top 10 Dylan on a summer night with a beer in your hand.

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:09 (two years ago) link

The encounter with the 'Gypsy' is a non-event.

Like, I can't even. This is the entire point of the song!

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link

WENT TO SEE THE GYPSY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's great in the jaunty New Morning version and possibly even more affecting on the Another Self Portrait more mournful verison

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:26 (two years ago) link

"'How are you?" he said to me/I said back to him"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:27 (two years ago) link

It's very human.

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Saturday, 22 January 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link

Yeah, for the first time he shows himself as the credulous, I Want To Believe seeker and sucker ("He smiled when he saw me coming, said, 'Well well we-ell"), and sticks around even when the advance man unnecessarily hypes: "...He did it in Las Vegas, and he can do it here!" Sounds like he's still disappointed by the non-event. Here and in the desolate-to-desperate "Sign In The Window," and the freaked-out "Day of the Locust," nuthin left to do but the-end-of-the-Sixties cliche, get back to roots--b-but he's already done that on the previous two albums, and still sounds desolate-to-desperate on "Time Passes Slowly" ("when you're lost in a dream!"). But then he does get it together on all the remaining songs (as he did on the LP opener, I think it was, "If Not For You.") Even gets back to his seeker interests on "Three Angels" and "Father of Night"---are these the ones written for a play?

dow, Saturday, 22 January 2022 01:30 (two years ago) link

I love NEW MORNING, but unlike you, I don't think 'went to see the gypsy' is as good as it should be.

'The song is all about a non-event', yes, but maybe he could then clarify more about this non-event, what it meant, why he 'went to see the gypsy' in the first place, what he was expecting, why they say so little to each other, why he would depart this important gypsy character to make a telephone call, how he feels when the character mysteriously disappears.

I have read around all that I could on this song and the one standard line seems to be that it's about Elvis Presley. Not that Dylan really saw Presley in Minnesota. Why call Elvis the gypsy? Tell us more.

the pinefox, Saturday, 22 January 2022 10:33 (two years ago) link

Dylan would be the last artist I would expect or want to clarify anything. He's been avoiding clarifying things since at least 1964.

The song, imo, is about expectations vs. reality and at the end reaches for a zen contentment like a lot of New Morning songs. It's similar to Sign on the Window (talk about an underdeveloped lyric), though in Sign it seems the narrator is trying to convince themselves while in Gypsy the narrator is convinced.

Maybe Dylan should have done a sequel song (cf Glass Onion) where he explains "The Gypsy was Elvis".

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Saturday, 22 January 2022 13:09 (two years ago) link

I’m sorry to correct you but “Went to See the Gypsy” is literally as good as it’s possible for a song to be.
The gypsy was Elvis, and wasn’t, and that little Minnesota town was Duluth, and Hibbing, and wasn’t, and the song happened and didn’t and the girl was nowhere to be found, and that’s what happens when you see the gypsy.

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 22 January 2022 13:21 (two years ago) link

Or is it?

Mark G, Saturday, 22 January 2022 13:31 (two years ago) link

I quite like the song, and I've probably heard it more than any other over the last month - probably about 50 times of multiple takes.

But I think it's underdeveloped and could have benefited from another draft.

the pinefox, Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:22 (two years ago) link

The explanations on here have been fine---there was also the sense that it's a song about the Sixties romance coming to an end, as Ellen Willis wrote about it reflecting a generational experience, especially for people of his and her age: turn 30, wake up and smell the coffee, as Dear Abby would put it, get up and get ready for work, here's spouse and kids and all that comes with them. Although his personal attraction to the esoteric, not only but sometimes giving evidence of including, thee mystical per se, keeps surfacing in later music and off-stage activities. But he had to go through this experience of non-experience and starting over, it seems.

dow, Saturday, 22 January 2022 17:16 (two years ago) link

"including thee mystical per se" not meant to have a comma between "including" and "thee"

dow, Saturday, 22 January 2022 17:18 (two years ago) link

Manymany xposts: Something that’s never leaked is the complete Masked & Anonymous sessions. That band was straight fire & I want to hear the 17 (!) unreleased songs.

That version of Cold Irons Bound is one of my favourite performances of any song ever.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 23 January 2022 04:40 (two years ago) link

Absolutely. It's definitive and beats the album version, so much that I made the substitution for my own listening. (FWIW, I also swapped out "Make You Feel My Love" for "Red River Shore" and "Cant Wait" for the officially released studio demo, both from the first disc of Tell Tale Signs: The Bootleg Series Volume 8. For the latter track, I had to cut out the talking at the beginning so that it starts on the first piano note, a very simple and easy edit.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 23 January 2022 05:25 (two years ago) link

Cool---speaking of making your own Dylan playlists, have yall heard Medicine Sunday, the free download on Albums That Never Were? He's made an album of Dylan with the Band, taking first stabs at trying what became Blonde On Blonde.
Speaking of "Cold Irons Bound," there's a really good live version of it on this really good live BD collection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_1961%E2%80%932000:_Thirty-Nine_Years_of_Great_Concert_Performances Japanese import only, but I found it on Amazon soon after 2001 release,---now on Spotify, I think.

dow, Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link

“She’s your lover now” is so great
“And you just sit around asking for ashtrays
Can’t you reach?”

calstars, Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:31 (two years ago) link

^my favorite Dylan song (and line!)

Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:32 (two years ago) link

Haha

calstars, Sunday, 23 January 2022 19:33 (two years ago) link

xxxp Nice! FWIW, during the lockdown I finally listened to the entire 1965/1966 sessions box set in chronological order. Flies by pretty fast when you're stuck working at home, it took 2 or 3 days to do it without feeling I crammed the whole thing down. I always wondered why the hell Dylan ended up ditching the Hawks in the studio (though not on stage) when he was recording Blonde on Blonde. The handful of releasable cuts I heard - the one-off singles, as calstars mentions the aborted outtake "She's Your Lover Now" - were GREAT. Well, you listen to those sessions, and you hear what went wrong - Dylan was frustrated as hell and poor Richard Manuel got the brunt of it. It's on tape where Dylan's constantly telling them, especially Richard, "NO, I want it like THIS. Like THIS Richard, it's supposed to go like this." So once you hear the stuff that wasn't released before, it makes perfect sense.

birdistheword, Sunday, 23 January 2022 20:45 (two years ago) link

Oh yeah---he tells the backstory, and how he chose tracks, how he tweaked them, getting a consistent volume level etc, to make it sound as much as possible like a real album---of whatever quality; see what yall think: http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/2018/08/bob-dylan-medicine-sunday.html

dow, Sunday, 23 January 2022 21:48 (two years ago) link

Oops--links removed, sorry. But and prob because his sources are legit available though TCE Deluxe hella pricey: Sources used:
Bootleg Series Vol 8: No Direction Home (2005)
Bootleg Series Vol 12: The Cutting Edge (2015 Collector’s Edition)
Side Tracks (2013)
Mainly what we're missing is his further cobble from those: Medicine Sunday appropriately concludes with the epic that never was, “She’s Your Lover Now”. Using pieces of Takes 15 and 16 on The Cutting Edge, I was able to create a complete performance of the song by editing a proper intro onto take 15 and crossfading into take 16 at the point where the band trails off, hopefully giving the illusion that The Hawks intentionally stopped playing and Dylan finished the song solo. A further edit was made at the outro so that Dylan concludes with the tonic of the song, giving it a resolve and a remorseful vocal improvisation to end the album.

dow, Sunday, 23 January 2022 22:07 (two years ago) link

Birdistheword: do you mean THE CUTTING EDGE?

My copy of that is 5CDs, and I took months working my way through it, listening to everything multiple times. Is your version bigger?

I initially thought that you meant the vast 1966 concerts set with 30CDs or whatever. Has anyone actually bought or played that?

the pinefox, Monday, 24 January 2022 12:50 (two years ago) link

I have bought and played the 1966 Live Recordings box, yes.

There's an 18-disc deluxe Cutting Edge set that has basically everything he recorded in the studio 1965-66. The 6-disc version is highlights of that.

tylerw, Monday, 24 January 2022 15:17 (two years ago) link

I have also bought the 1966 Live Recordings box, it was surprisingly cheap and I had a Barnes & Noble gift card to use up at the time.

I haven't played through every disc yet, but probably nearly 2/3rds of it. Definitely something to work through slowly.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 January 2022 15:28 (two years ago) link

I have a copy of that 18 disc edition, I got it [REDACTED] DVDr

Mark G, Monday, 24 January 2022 15:49 (two years ago) link

Oh, and that 1966 box set, I got on a really stupidly cheap deal..

Mark G, Monday, 24 January 2022 15:50 (two years ago) link

I've only just realised that this 1966 edition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1966_Live_Recordings

was not part of The Bootleg Series but part of the same copyright series that gave us *1970*.

So has anyone played the whole of the 36CD set and is it interesting?

I felt that my CUTTING EDGE was inclusive but now I learn that it's only 1/3 of other people's.

the pinefox, Monday, 24 January 2022 15:58 (two years ago) link

I've played the whole 1966 live recordings set and it is awesome! the handful of audience recordings are rough going, but the australian / european / UK shows are unbelievable.

tylerw, Monday, 24 January 2022 16:07 (two years ago) link

pinefox, yes, Cutting Edge, and as Tyler mentioned, it's the big 18 disc one I listened to. I also have the live set, which can usually be found for much less than $100 new - it never became a collector's item like the 18-disc Cutting Edge.

birdistheword, Monday, 24 January 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link

I haven't played the entire 1966 set though - FWIW, my favorites are the Liverpool (mono only) and Sheffield (stereo) discs, particularly Liverpool for the electric set. The real Royal Albert Hall show and the famous Manchester show are also great and to be fair have better sound since they were multi-track recordings.

birdistheword, Monday, 24 January 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link

To build on the discussion above – looks like Sony just bought all his recordings: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/24/bob-dylan-sells-recorded-music-catalog-to-sony-music-entertainment.html

Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Monday, 24 January 2022 19:35 (two years ago) link

More relevant details from Variety:

Bob Dylan and SME will continue to collaborate on a range of future catalog reissues in the artist’s renowned and top-selling Bootleg Series, which began in 1991 and includes 14 releases through last year’s lauded “Springtime In New York: The Bootleg Series Vol. 16 (1980-1985).” The agreement also provides the opportunity for SME to partner with Dylan on additional projects.

Rockin’, and rollin’, and whatnot (morrisp), Monday, 24 January 2022 19:36 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Track list floating around Twitter, goes w some recent talk of next in series:

disc 1

1. "Love Sick" (acoustic demo, 1997)
2. "Not Dark Yet" (alternate take, Time Out Of Mind, 1997)
3. "Shake Sugaree" (studio rehearsal, 1994)
4. "Polly Vaughan" (unreleased, 1992)
5. "Long Time Man" (rehearsal at Shrine Auditorium, 1995)
6. "Million Miles" (studio rehearsal, 1997)
7. "Mississippi" (acoustic demo, 1996)
8. "Cold lrons Bound" (alternate take, Time Out Of Mind, 1997)
9. "Ring Of Fire" (Feeling Minnesota soundtrack, 1996)
10. "lnterfere" (studio rehearsal, 1996)
11 . "Red River Shore" (acoustic demo, 1996)
12. "Cocaine Blues" (rehearsal, George Mason University,1998)
13. "Standing ln The Doorway" (alternate take,Time Out Of Mind,1997)

disc 2

1. "All I Ever Loved ls You" (acoustic demo,1996)
2. "Dreamin' Of You" (acoustic demo,1996)
3. "Hello Stranger" (unreleased, World Gone Wrong,1993)
4. "Sugar Girl" (studio rehearsal,1997)
5. "Doin' Alright" (acoustic demo,1994)
6. "Can't Wait" (studio rehearsal,1996)
7. "Not Dark Yet" (acoustic demo,1996)
8. "You Belong To Me" (Natural Born Killers soundtrack, 1992)
9. "Million Miles" (alternate take,Time Out Of Mind,1997)
10. "Make You Feel My Love" (alternate take Time Out Of Mind 1997
11. "Red River Shore" (unreleased, Time Out Of Mind,1997)
12."That Was Right" (studio rehearsal,1998)
13. "Marchin' To The City" (studio rehearsal,1996)
14. "Tryin' To Get To Heaven" (studio rehearsal,1996)

disc 3

1.“Love Sick” (Live at Grammys 1998)
2.“Shake Sugaree” (studio rehearsal, 1997)
3.“The Lady Came From Baltimore” (unreleased, 1992)
4.“99 Silly Hats” (rehearsal at Sony Music Studios, 16 Nov 1994)
5.“Til I Fell In Love With You” (alternate take,Time Out Of Mind, 1997)
6.“Can’t Wait” (Acoustic Demo, 1996)
7.“Catskills Serenade” (unreleased, 1992)
8.“Make You Feel My Love” (Live at Pauley Pavilion UCLA, Los Angeles CA, 21 May 1998)
9.“Standing In The Doorway” (studio rehearsal, 1997)
10.“Not Dark Yet” (studio rehearsal, 1997)
11.“Tryin’ To Get To Heaven” (alternate take, Time Out Of Mind, 1997)
12.“Sugar Girl” (demo, 1995)
13.“All I Ever Loved Is You” (unreleased, Time Out Of Mind, 1997)

If you paste this, will prob revert to errors in orig. "translation" from Twitter image (Not Dork Yet, alternate toke etc.)

dow, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:09 (two years ago) link

Unconfirmed, as far as I know

dow, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link

Not Dork Yet, alternate toke

omg/lmao, these are both A+

punching the clock on a tambo (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:22 (two years ago) link

think this is a clever fake, but who knows? Would be weird for the Bootleg Series to suddenly go completely out of chronological order (though i guess the Springtime in NY played around a little with that).

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:23 (two years ago) link

“Love Sick” (Live at Grammys 1998)

SOY BOMB!

J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:36 (two years ago) link

Soy Bomb guy is way more dated than Dylan these days

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:37 (two years ago) link

I’m imagining 99 Silly Hats is Dylan mining The 10,000 Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins and won’t be told otherwise.

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 20:17 (two years ago) link


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