defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

he tries to do bits all the time and i agree that this is one of them (he's extremely bad at them bcz he's a terrible writer at all times in all modes)

re his shifting political allegiance in brazil (and his husband's, since that's who's switching parties here) i actually think he's eversoslightly correct (i complained abt it way upthread) that US english speakers especially only ever really pay attention to the detail of brazilian politics to own him and make very little attempt whatever to keep themselves informed in a serious way (caveat: memes abt bolsonaro getting covid for the 409857203957th time are never not funny)

yeah it's just really dumb sarcasm.

i did see that he's recently dropped his support of Lula in favor of an alternative candidate who's polling in single digits and will by most people's estimations act as a spoiler to help Bolsonaro, so that's pretty cool.

good question! i believe he helped found a brazilian edition of the intercept tho i imagine there's been a parting of the ways since lol

he's broken at least one big brazilian story as i understand it. i gather his (tweeted) portuguese isn't terrible tho i'd definitely be interested in knowing how well he handles being edited in portuguese, give how badly he handles being edited in english. p hard to find anyone commenting objectively tho…

i "believe" i "understand" i "gather" -- i mean, i would like better access to better information on this!

Ah yes

🤯 pic.twitter.com/Iceprnn6cH

— andy™ (@andylevy) February 25, 2022

Ukraine never became part of NATO but Greenwald and those who think like him believe that just talking about that made Putin's war inevitable and sorta justified. Crazy. I think even if there had been no NATO talk, Putin still would have wanted Ukraine

Here's the view on Russia/Ukraine of former long-time President of Bolivia Evo Morales: pic.twitter.com/1fuH2Zqd4Z

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 25, 2022

I for one am glad someone is willing to stand up to the Newsmax/Bernie/CIA consensus

Seems like almost everyone in his general orbit has been owning up to mistakes, poor judgment, (understandable) over-skepticism of US intelligence, but he seems genuinely incapable of admitting that he’s ever been wrong.

yeah even Michael Tracey somehow had an apologetic tweet

pic.twitter.com/o1uYqoEhb6

— ℮oin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) March 14, 2022

I feel like reading this would actually kill brain cells.

Incredible new magazine just dropped https://t.co/TmbSAiMbkZ pic.twitter.com/JaSZR2w2oM

— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) March 22, 2022

most of the articles on the site would register as parody to me if i didn't know they were extremely not parodic

The one by the dude who wants more paintings he can jack off to was pretty funny.

Good Lord - Peter Hitchens, Nina Power and Paul Embery together at last.

Sam Kriss!

The one by the dude who wants more paintings he can jack off to was pretty funny.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, March 22, 2022 10:02 AM (seven minutes ago)

I almost injured my face grimacing at that one.

Was Power always like this and I just didn't realize it? Or did she jump into the deep end after I stopped paying attention (late 00s)?

No, she wasn’t. It’s a relatively recent thing. Hard turn towards conservatism when she took up with DC Miller.

What if there was a place where you could debate ideas others don't want you to know about? What if everything that has been settled could be shaken up? What if we could rethink age of consent laws? compactmag.com

xp
Ah ok thanks. I started her piece on "patriarchy" and couldn't believe I used to read someone so wilfully dense (also repugnant)

bets on when glenn quits in a huff?

"contributing editor" is the "influenced by" of magazine self-branding: the role will make absolutely no demands on his time or mind

Roles & Responsibilities: The Contributing Editor shall contribute nothing to the content of the magazine but will be expected to pissily defend it at length to randoms on twitter.

thats what i said lol

bets on when glenn quits in a huff?

― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, March 22, 2022 10:29 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

When the site takes down an article for being Pro-something horrible

lol

is the title of the mag intentional or?? Compact Magazine is the German neo-fascist rag that routinely publishes Martin Sellner, the Austrian neo-Nazi whose Nazi shit is so extreme he got exiled from the UK and banned from entering the United States pic.twitter.com/QDk1WleJBy

— Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig) March 22, 2022

.@ggreenwald is retweeting white supremacist cartoonist stonetoss pic.twitter.com/9N6wfyNvcp

— hannah gais (@hannahgais) March 24, 2022

New friends!

In which our fella basically brags about inciting online harassment of Taylor Lorenz and dismisses the entire idea that women in journalism are subject to harassment of all kinds.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/your-top-priority-is-the-emotional?s=r

Pays himself by the word possibly.

as i've been ploughing a bit of a lone furrow in this thread wondering abt the quality of greenwald's work as a journalist *in brazil* (mostly published in portuguese, which i don't read), this is an interesting update (conclusion for those who don't click: GG's role in exposing how bogus was lula's prosecution was significant, GG's telling of that story is has strange gaps in it)

https://fair.org/home/greenwalds-bombshell-brazil-scoops-have-curious-blindspot-for-us-involvement/

Thanks for sharing that useful piece.

a woman I was at school with and who has ran for office as a trotskyist approvingly shared that Nina Power piece on insta recently. a lot of weird anti-woke/trad turns from millennial leftists online who listen to red scare and read Christopher lash but this was the first time I saw it happening in someone I know irl

xp I liked the inquiring article about gg, that seems like a good question to ask to me, and i do go with writer’s option that “gg is targeting his current readership and media.” As his career has moved farther along, he doesn’t seem to care so much about any issue or policy quite so much as he cares about aggressively pursuing and defending his notoriety and/or whatever trench he’s dug himself into.

He def doesn’t have any obligation to pursue every target that is also ready for investigation. usa foreign practice and policy certainly is a good one here, imo. But given that he’s not been afraid to go at us govt before, protecting his privilege w his media allies seem logical enuf. Has he had a fit yet?

If the hacker goes to jail, that’s also his style?

Ugh I just looked at that Compact magazine, awful. A defense of Orban, lots of handwringing about "Woke ideology," but I guess Greenwald's happy as long as they're anti-"American war machine."

he doesn’t seem to care so much about any issue or policy quite so much as he cares about aggressively pursuing and defending his notoriety and/or whatever trench he’s dug himself into.

otm. he's still a litigation attorney at heart. he likes winning arguments more than he likes any given policy in & of itself.

iirc the issue he was obsessed with around '07-? was Telecom Immunity. When Obama flipped on that issue and libs didn't care, I feel like that was GG's first break with the people who were following him because he was anti-Bush.

and torture, on which he was very good and quite alone in his relentlessness

i wouldnt go so far to say he was quite alone on that one, but his 2005 torture writing is a great case in point: compare it to his moaning this week that the images from Bucha are simply "propaganda" that is "context-and-evidence-free" for further evidence that his one true & lasting love is dissent for its own sake

haha -- note I qualified it. No one can relentless like our Glenn.

Having fun watching GG lose it over Taylor Lorenz.

This is a stupid viral lie being spread by Taylor. She announced she intended to publish @libsoftiktok's name. After, @libsoftiktok provided proof Taylor went to her relatives' houses and asked me to report it to deter Taylor from stalking more people.https://t.co/ulGxVmrn0u

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022

He's not handling it well.

I really want to see the parallel world in which people visit Taylor's house and the homes and workplaces of her relatives to dig up dirt on her. I have a strong feeling the people defending Taylor doing this to private citizens won't be similarly supportive if it's done to her.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022

I love this outrage about VISITING PEOPLE'S HOUSES, which is such a common part of journalistic practice that we have all seen it done a hundred times in movies and TV shows. I've had to do it myself!

fucking lmao @ all the snowflakes on the right whining about how LibsOfTikTok "merely retweets lefties" as though she hasn't spent the last few months calling everyone a predator and suggesting that all queer teachers should be fired

Doesn’t the Libs of Tik Tok woman need her name out there to rake in that sweet sweet reactionary money anyway?

Could the WashPost be any pettier or more jealous? If you feel inadequate about what you've accomplished journalistically, working harder to break meaningful stories is a better solution than trying to malign those who have. Again, this jealousy is why they want Assange punished. pic.twitter.com/tfIwUm0hQo

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022

GG, the journalist who has never knocked on a door for a story, mad that he's been called a "right wing pundit" and an "online influencer"

In which our fella basically brags about inciting online harassment of Taylor Lorenz and dismisses the entire idea that women in journalism are subject to harassment of all kinds.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/your-top-priority-is-the-emotional?s=r

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, April 3, 2022 12:53 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

isn't it weird how he JUST wrote this screed about how women are not harassed on the internet (the only real victim is glenn greenwald himself isn't that so) and today he's conflating journalists visiting houses to talk to people with stalking and in response he does this "it'd be a shame if anything happened to you" tweet

I really want to see the parallel world in which people visit Taylor's house and the homes and workplaces of her relatives to dig up dirt on her. I have a strong feeling the people defending Taylor doing this to private citizens won't be similarly supportive if it's done to her.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2022

No one in this thread is actually defending Glenn.

speak for yourself

i don't understand what that's in response to

the thread title