A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

Aren't the drums on "Smells Like Teen Spirit" entirely overdubbed from session guys?

waht? i've never heard this

I think somebody overheard Bernard Purdie indulging once again in "that was me on _____" , as my friend likes to put it.

load up on funk and bring your friends

-- Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:44 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

!!!!!!!

I think Carol Kaye played bass.

"8:02pm" is a great song Matt.

is this all some sort of convoluted justification for sfj to listen to overplayed white rock music, by saying it's actually dance-funk

is this all some sort of convoluted justification for sfj to listen to create overplayed white rock music, by saying it's actually dance-funk

I think by playing Elvis in his podcast and playing up some vague "funk" influence in Nirvana, he's trying to prove some musical Darwinism that the best music is 'miscegenated,' nevermind him contrasting that with a bunch of bands that are at least as black (?) as "Teen Spirit."

t's already, like, <b>nine different kinds of music</b>,

This reminds me of when Christgau in Pazz and Jop last year talked about Nirvana's "inspired, if accidental, synthesis", and Frank Kogan told me he must mean their "inspired synthesis of Husker Du style music with Bob Mould style vocals".

is this all some sort of convoluted justification for sfj to listen to create overplayed white rock music, by saying it's actually dance-funk

-- and what, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:51 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

No one plays Ui records, though.

oops

i didnt know if 'overplayed' meant unbiquitous or proggy

Smells Like Teen Spirit's beat is square as fuck anyway.

unbiquitous lol

you know who had a funky drummer? steppenwolf! that drummer was hard as fuck

otm

"Born To Be Wild" is like 28 different kinds of music

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was regularly played in a dance club in East Lansing Michigan in 1992, sadly enough.

does sfj not know what the word miscegenation means or is he trying to make a metaphor? is this what tremendoid was talking about? if "smells like teen spirit" is miscegenated does it mean that like the nirvana's influences had sex w/each other? (i am guessing the "funk" came via led zepplin?)

classic rock radio is often pretty damn funky (xpost)

bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart

listen to the break at 2:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdoaMPSd5OU

holy shit!

"bob mould has denied ever sleeping with grant hart"

yeah like two gay dudes who pretty much lived in a van for weeks at a time wouldn't fuck each other

rock drummers in the 70s were pretty awesome across the board...like even dudes in lame bands were pretty great by today's standards.

so which nirvana influences are tops and which are bottoms?

"teen spirit" beat is kind of a funk beat. not as funky as, like, "the crunge," but it's not an outright absurd statement. it's also the only nirvana song i can think of that has even kind of a funk beat.

my girlfriend's dad is a drummer/freelance for drum mags and one of the first things I asked him is who the heck young drummers idolize these days and I think they all listen to Dream Theater now.

just noticed this:

Keywords
Frere-Jones, Sasha;
Indie (Independent) Rock;
Miscegenation;
Blacks (African-Americans);
Rock Bands;
Hip-Hop Music

what do shop boyz think about this

oh man i just saw the freaks and geeks episode last night where lindsey's dad tells nick that neal pert sucks and procedes to play him some really out jazz w/awesome drumming. (cant remember who it was now)

I asked him is who the heck young drummers idolize these days and I think they all listen to Dream Theater now.

ug jeezus...yeah chuck will probably protest but i'd say that metal had at least as much to do with leadfoot drumming these days as indie did...lars ulrich type drum school shit.

The notes are the same as a James Brown beat or whatever, but when it's played with all the accents at full volume and riding the crash cymbal and distorted guitars all over the places it's not really funky.

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Most of the highly skilled white drummers now go into metal or maybe some indie prog/metalish bands

And honestly, some metal is pretty funky

Also Jordan OTMFM

cant remember who it was now)

Buddy Rich I think?

Most of the highly skilled white drummers now go into metal or maybe some indie prog/metalish bands

And honestly, some metal is pretty funky

-- Hurting 2, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:09 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i challenge you to walk the halls of my practice space building on a tuesday night and repeat those two statements.

plus highly skilled =/ funky or good

what does ?uestlove have to say about all this?

(yeah i think you are right, thanks jordan. i'll have to check him out now.)

now I'm trying to figure out Dream Theater figure into the context of "Party Like A Rockstar," thx ILM

Neil Peart fans who've seen the F&G episode love to note that Neil Peart actually performed at the Buddy Rich Memorial Concert.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Buddy Rich.

Most highly skilled guitarists, bassists, AND drummers now gravitate towards prog and metal. Except the ones with no sack who gravitate towards jammin'.

Yeah and he's fucking terrible at big band!!

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plus it's weird to act like the arcade fire and shins are like the fucking shags or something...they are pretty fucking slick and pro sounding to me..it's not like they can't play...and arcade fire doesn't look bored on stage do they? aren't they like super hyped up and shit? so much stuff that contradicts itself.

The notes are the same as a James Brown beat or whatever, but when it's played with all the accents at full volume and riding the crash cymbal and distorted guitars all over the places it's not really funky.

also that it keeps heavy emphasis on the 2 and 4 in a very rawk way. all of which is why it's only kind of a funk beat.

also, did you guys, like totally miss out on math rock and all the indie dudes the grew up liking Don Cab and Trans Am and everything?

i brought up math rock and indie prog about 200 posts ago, but only in a passing mention

Wasn't it Buddy Rich AND Gene Krupa, "The Monster"?

xpost ok i missed that, because yeah i'd make the argument that if anything indie and punk dudes are way MORE technically competent and chops dudes than they were in the 80s by far.

also i have the double vinyl of "interdependence" by A Minor Forest that I'd part with for $20 email me!

Buddy Rich playing on funk tunes is actually pretty sick (even though I guess he claimed not to be into backbeat music).

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I guess the album is Krupa & Rich, but that cut is only Buddy or something.