Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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There were some homemade signs, but two banners centrally produced, one uncontroversial: “No to Nuclear War.” The other was more problematic, drawing an elliptical but discernible equivalence between Putin’s aggression and Nato’s “expansion”, by saying “no” to both. This was quite complicated.

Why is she describing the second banner in such a coy way? Does she mean it says " Stop the War. Russian troops out! No NATO expansion" ?

I'm sure her pre-teen kids are quite capable of using wikipedia. Stop the War event ≠ 'Jeremy Corbyn rally, of course.

Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 12:47 (two years ago) link

NATO expansion is good now?

Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 12:51 (two years ago) link

‘War is bad because it kills people’

got no problem with this sentiment nor how it is expressed, even if dickhead posh guardian liberals who identify as left-wing because they once went on an ANL demo in '91 are going to ridicule it as "student politics" or naive.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 13:34 (two years ago) link

I have watched the whole of the speech that JC gave in Trafalgar Square - last Saturday I think. It's excellent. It warns of the horror of nuclear war. In case anyone was wondering, it extensively condemns Vladimir Putin - not something that ZW would want us to know.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 13:45 (two years ago) link

Quite something how she flaunts her ignorance. I'm sure it's intended as "relatable" self-deprecation but there's no reason not to take it at face value. The piece seems like it's leading up to how she explains the war to her children, the nuance involved in "No to NATO Expansion, No to Putin" - but she just ends the column instead. She gets paid for this?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link

She gets paid for this?

I never read any of these people because I can barely get past a couple of paragraphs without this question screaming in my brain.

Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 14:50 (two years ago) link

They pay brisk money for this... oh wait, sorry wrong thread.

Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 14:56 (two years ago) link

OK, I understand why she is finding it hard to explain an anti-war rally.

Some people have difficulty explaining biscuits..

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 15:31 (two years ago) link

Isn't that an Adrian Chiles column?

Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link

haha!

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 15:44 (two years ago) link

williams has been emulating chiles more as sodha has been heading into melanie phillips territory. identity crisis!

plax (ico), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:14 (two years ago) link

That's the politics of your paper, didn't you know?

Just had an email from LinkedIn saying the Guardian is looking for a political editor, which is good to know.

— Heather Stewart (@GuardianHeather) March 10, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:57 (two years ago) link

Lol, couldn’t happen to a nicer person

mardheamac (gyac), Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:00 (two years ago) link

She’s now claiming that she was only surprised that Linkedin was advertising to her, and that she already had plans to move to “another part of the Guardian” but that’s certainly not how the first tweet reads.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:04 (two years ago) link

Bit of personal news from me: after 6 mad, wonderful years as political editor, I'm breaking out of Westminster.
I'll be the Guardian's new special correspondent - reporting on how the pandemic, and Brexit, are changing lives and livelihoods; and keeping an eye on "levelling up".

— Heather Stewart (@GuardianHeather) February 25, 2022

she announced it herself weeks ago

calzino, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:16 (two years ago) link

reporting on how the pandemic, and Brexit, are changing lives and livelihoods; and keeping an eye on "levelling up"

oh wow, bookmarked

Nordle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:22 (two years ago) link

maybe her new roving reporter position wasn't as it was sold to her and she isn't happy about it, but u love to see it!

calzino, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:29 (two years ago) link

not to defend her political editing (it sucked) but the first tweet is easy enough to read as the joke it's meant to be (she's pretending to find informative and useful a thing she already knew)

mark s, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:32 (two years ago) link

That would be more believable if I didn’t know a fashion editor there at one time who found their own job advertised suddenly and was not expecting it at all - and because she hadn’t done the full two years couldn’t even nab them for constructive dismissal.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:36 (two years ago) link

ok but stewart evidently was expecting it, she announced herself weeks ago as calz points out

mark s, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link

Fair enough but it does seem designed to elicit "oh noes how can they be so horrible to you" etc.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 March 2022 23:08 (two years ago) link

Actually relatively good by Ronay's recent standards

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/mar/07/manchester-united-derby-reaction-roy-keane-media

though it includes his bad and annoying tic: "There are two things worth saying about this. First, no useful purpose is served here."

the pinefox, Friday, 11 March 2022 09:20 (two years ago) link

Wondering what they have planned for us tomorrow

plax (ico), Saturday, 19 March 2022 15:12 (two years ago) link

I know Hadley Freeman writes utter tripe during the weekdays but The Observer houses an astonishing amount of shit by itself.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 March 2022 15:15 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Well ok now. Detailed thread from OJ on Suzanne Moore and office Pol re: trans rights.

OK everyone, this is boring, there's one trillion more important things in the world, and I'm sorry to inflict this on your timeline!

For the last few years, Telegraph columnist Suzanne Moore has had, let's say, a bit of a grudge against me.

— Owen Jones 🌹 (@OwenJones84) April 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 15:44 (two years ago) link

So this is the second time that The Guardian has simultanously published a piece by Susanna Rustin (broadly against trans equality) and a counter-piece by Zoe Williams (broadly pro). This is clearly how The Guardian plans to triangulate around the whole issue. pic.twitter.com/6tETuPgK5r

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) April 7, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 April 2022 11:57 (two years ago) link

ironically both articles criticise Labour for not having a consistent policy

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Thursday, 7 April 2022 14:06 (two years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/trans-people-mental-health-crisis-point-uk-warn-experts

Trans people’s mental health is at crisis point in UK, warn experts

Helplines report rising demand, as conversion practices decision follows years of ‘negativity from government, media and others’

rob, Friday, 8 April 2022 16:53 (two years ago) link

ffs

imago, Friday, 8 April 2022 17:00 (two years ago) link

🤔

Tracer Hand, Monday, 11 April 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This is grim.

Former Labour press chief Alastair Campbell has written an open letter in this week's The New European asking why politicians can’t be more like Jurgen Klopp.

👉 Campbell also says he can see the Reds boss is 'much more than just a football man.' pic.twitter.com/O1G7HnylHK

— Liverpool FC News (@LivEchoLFC) April 27, 2022

the pinefox, Thursday, 28 April 2022 10:38 (two years ago) link

Why have they done Klopp as the donkey from shrek? Mind this is the same art department that did Starmer as Bond.

calzino, Thursday, 28 April 2022 10:47 (two years ago) link

Take it to the Ronaldinho Bottle Opener thread

Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Thursday, 28 April 2022 15:04 (two years ago) link

it seems a bit at odds to be paired with an article where Campbell is suggesting that Klopp possesses the competent managerialism🤢 skillz to be a top sensible, but also it's correct because they are all donkeys!

calzino, Thursday, 28 April 2022 15:27 (two years ago) link

Dining Across The Divide strikes polarisation gold yet again! pic.twitter.com/eOJZs3cTSs

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) May 5, 2022

it's a very interesting match up here, one of the white middle-class graun-reader blokes doesn't wear spectacles, the other does.

calzino, Thursday, 5 May 2022 13:00 (two years ago) link

'throw one out there for the Greens'

if he actually used those words, this is a very bad start.

the pinefox, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:29 (two years ago) link

I don't like the sound of his voting booth etiquette, he should be arrested!

calzino, Thursday, 5 May 2022 14:47 (two years ago) link

Tug one out 4 Winston McKenzie

very interesting piece by (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 5 May 2022 15:16 (two years ago) link

Charles Booker, a Black former state lawmaker who emerged as a powerful voice against racial justice in the aftermath of the fatal police shooting of Breonna Taylor in 2020, won the Democratic Senate primary in the state.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/17/pennsylvania-north-carolina-primary-races-trump-republicans

Give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was meant to be “against racial injustice” but still might want to nip that one in the bud.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 12:03 (one year ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/29/britain-political-future-milton-keynes-brexit

Want to see where Britain’s political future will be decided? Head to Milton Keynes
John Harris

the pinefox, Monday, 30 May 2022 08:01 (one year ago) link

Can't be bothered to drive more than an hour up the A1 is it now? Looking forward to his pieces on Watford next year.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 09:34 (one year ago) link

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guardian branching out into hourly updates of what Johnny Depp happens to be doing at that particular moment

soref, Friday, 3 June 2022 10:29 (one year ago) link

tbf it was news to me when i found out this ludicrous cunt and domestic abuser is "on tour"

hello duckness my old friend (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 June 2022 11:09 (one year ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/04/as-we-unite-for-the-jubilee-lets-believe-britains-best-days-are-ahead-not-behind

Must be Sunday! Leaving the ludicrous message aside, wtf is this indigestible word salad?

In order to succeed in the rapidly changing world, moving to a net zero and digital future, we need an audacious plan to take the lead in the industries of the future so we can sell goods and services that deliver the carbon-neutral world everyone needs and provide good jobs in every part of the country. Labour’s bold climate investment pledge is just that.

Never, ever let the politicians draft the articles themselves!

the classic emerson lake & palmer line-up (Matt #2), Sunday, 5 June 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link

"Labour’s bold climate investment pledge"

just a lonely women talking bout things that don't exist

calzino, Sunday, 5 June 2022 00:55 (one year ago) link

I'm sort of looking forward to finding out how ravaged the environment can get while these people cling to the idea of a green capitalism

hello duckness my old friend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 June 2022 07:16 (one year ago) link

"Our country has always led the way as a measured and decent example to the world", although there was that time we colluded with France and Israel to bomb Egypt and attack Port Said in order to regain control of the Suez Canal. That was a while back, though. And there's something queasy about name-dropping "my good friend Jo Cox" but I'm sure she means well.

"If 10 years ago we had invested in our own capacity for 5G technology, say, we would not find ourselves at the mercy of Huawei and the Chinese Communist party today" - are we at the mercy of Huawei? Isn't 5G technically a private sector thing? The government assigns the spectrum but the actual exploitation of the technology is up to the private sector, which can still remember the massive overbidding on 3G. Would higher-speed internet really make us independent from China?

I mean, technically this is party communication broadcast by The Guardian, as a contractual obligation, so it's not really The Guardian's voice. Wasn't there a chap a while back who was raising his dogs with a vegan diet? Not necessarily a bad idea, but it inevitably led to a flood of comments about how he was monster because he owned a pet. The constant tension between the environmental columnists and the people in the Comments section who want to reduce the human population with forced sterilisation is hilarious.

Didn't one of the columnists turn out to be working for Harvey Weinstein? The one who looked like Joe Strummer.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 5 June 2022 20:36 (one year ago) link

Labour comms seems to be fixated on presenting the party as being more reactionary, more conservative, more authoritarian, more committed to hardcore fiscal austerity than the Conservatives. Powell is probably one of the worst people in the shadow cabinet in terms of trying to spin this as something that might appeal to the electorate, because she can only do platitudes in series and is a complete fuckwit. It's so fucking empty and bleak it makes Cameron's feigning of being a One Nation Tory 10 years ago actually look more hopeful and progressive.

calzino, Sunday, 5 June 2022 20:58 (one year ago) link


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