ADMIN LOG WATCH 2

My understanding of the slack - admittedly limited as I've only heard about its existence through occasional whispers in the wind during a certain phase of the moon on a hot summer's night - comments were/are being made under the assumption that the posters in question wouldn't see them.

your understanding is wrong

ian has been here since a wee bairn as well

I've been on longer than most of the name posters here--August 2001. I was 31 then, and I'm 51 now. This feels kind of weird to me.

Wait how do you find out how long you've been here??! Off I go to see if it's in my profile....gulp.

Yeah, I mean I was barely 21 when I started posting. Gonna be 38 this year.

it was a magical night in late 2003 when i first joined ILM hoping to pick up some sweet Gaz Coombes chat

i thought crut was like 12 when he joined?

I started posting here in 2005 iirc, but only started "posting a lot" when my local board went to seed

Which dn is Conner Smedley posting under now

I think crut was 15? I know lj was 17.

your understanding is wrong

― call all destroyer, Sunday, March 13, 2022 11:38 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm not talking about the entire slack if that's how you're reading it, I'm talking about what NV was referring to above, the channel of complaining and laughing at and taking the piss out of posters and posts etc

If that really isn't as it sounds then strike me from the record but clearly at least one person has taken it personally

that’s not how i was reading it.

xp I did a web search a long time ago to find my earliest post.

that’s not how i was reading it.

― call all destroyer, Sunday, March 13, 2022 11:51 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Feel free to enlighten me any time you want, or just keep doing this. I guess you're confident that everyone involved was using that channel as if it it were as visible as ILE?

Yeah sorry it is incredibly disingenuous to pretend that we all knew about this secret ILX Slack.

Half the people complaining are mad that the slack isn't more private and half are mad it's not more public. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, COME BE A PART OF IT. But we have group norms and people will say something if you're a jerk, because we're all people sharing our emotional selves in real time to each other. Jesus christ it's not that complicated.

It's a conversation. If you can't imagine what the norms for that are, may I refer the reader to the mIRC era or whatever your preferred online dosage was. Mine was chatrooms, which is what slack basically is as far as I can tell?

Thanks for the info.

Ffs I didn't even know the admin thread existed until yesterday, this is a lot of meta.

Still can't find out how to join it.

Because that's perhaps what irks me most about it: if it's so public and open to any ilxor who wants to be on it, then why have some of us been kept in the dark about it?

I'm not on there, but the slack was advertised publicly on threads back when it was created I believe? Fair enough not everyone reads every thread, but don't think there was any effort for anyone to be kept in the dark.

Yet no one will tell me how to join it.

Lmfao

should we just delete ilx and refer every1 to the slack?

You see? Keep posting "just come join the Slack" and "it's actually not mostly about dunking on people" and then don't give any further information. Really inspires confidence that it's not just some cliquish BS.

I dunno how to join either, as I said, I didn't join. Just saying it wasn't created in secret.

yeah sorry, given some of the personal stuff i’ve put on slack vs. the current tenor here, i’m not sharing the link

Yeah, wasn't trying to single you out, Daniel, mostly just trying to figure out how to join it from in orbit and etc.

Ah, so it isn't a public Slack, then.

Feel free to enlighten me any time you want, or just keep doing this. I guess you're confident that everyone involved was using that channel as if it it were as visible as ILE?

i mean it would be pretty dumb for people to say repeatedly that the slack was open to all and then make an assumption that stuff posted there would stay hidden forever.

and i’m just going to say this once but this was all started by someone who was on the slack and from my perspective not adhering to community standards, who then chose to take their grievance back here and claim that no, it was in fact everyone else who was acting in bad faith.

You all seem to be willfully confusing secretive with people valuing their privacy.

reminds me of the controversy when 77 was first created

"It isn't a secret Slack, anyone can join."

"Actually we need to protect the privacy of everyone on the Slack."

lmao.

I'm not saying people should do anything except learn to keep their shit talk private if they want it to be private.

― ✖, Sunday, March 13, 2022 11:34 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is a good point. It sucks to see someone get hurt as happened today.

i just want slack users to promise they'll post a lot to ilx too, because i really don't need to adopt another platform just to maintain the meager substitution for a social fabric that ilx gives me.

I'm not saying people should do anything except learn to keep their shit talk private if they want it to be private.

― ✖, Sunday, March 13, 2022 11:34 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is a good point. It sucks to see someone get hurt as happened today.

― treeship., Sunday, March 13, 2022 9:41 AM (eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

I agree, tbh, and no matter what the circumstances of how this all "got out of control," I'm more than a little flabbergasted that there are such conflicting opinions as to the nature of this Slack. Is it public and available to any ilxors? Is it invite-only? Can I get an invite if I promise to adhere to community guidelines? If not, why?

There's definitely a similarity to when 77 started. But one difference is that there was an explicit rule that you can't shit-talk another user who isn't on 77. (To be fair I'm pretty sure that rule was instated because people were absolutely doing this, but I think I joined 77 fairly late on so didn't really see it.)

i just want slack users to promise they'll post a lot to ilx too, because i really don't need to adopt another platform just to maintain the meager substitution for a social fabric that ilx gives me.

― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map)

Also, lol yep, this is how I feel too.

I went on the slack once and then did not adhere to community guidelines so I left

We do not need to bodyshame the guitar dudes

Let's shame them for being corny-ass blooz doodz who make boring music

It was basically private until an existing slack contributor had a drunken late night outburst and lashed out at several people and then deleted his inappropriate posts before most of the US woke up and logged back on iirc? And now he's mad at people on the slack for.............not being cool that, I guess?? I don't know why else he has gone around for weeks slyly mentioning it in many other threads and trying to get people stirred up. It's willfully disruptive and has directly resulted in people being hurt by passing conversation that's only still available because the internet is a curse.

The slack and almost weekly zooms were posted about here multiple times two years ago near the beginning of the pandemic so that people could have a more freeform, less publicly displayed conversation. With any community that grows, evolves and builds trust in one another it sometimes will get a little more closed off. How the fuck is this difficult to understand in 2022?

sorry, i crossed with io.

I mean people search their name once they’re on there. They can find old convos

Anyway I mostly stopped posting on ilx because the same people are in a lot of threads and I didn't want to engage with them all the time and I've never figured out how to killfile. And also I love the real-time chat format.

So can I have an invite, Yerac/gyac?

you are being fucking annoying as shit right now, table.

lmao

am i the same person as gyac?

Loooool I joined the slack halfway through its existence when everyone else was already there and it has literally never occurred to me to search for my name. That is an insane overly online thing to do imo.